Brake pressure sensor based LOAD CELL

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Belatti
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Thanks Caito, do you know if this works reflecting on tarmac?
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Data Sheet....

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I'd guess that if you make your own lookup table of output voltage vs distance it could work.

Corsys datron uses similar techonology, but they have more expensive CCD.


Maybe it's a long shot, but it's cheap enough to give it a go.
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Caito wrote:Corsys datron uses similar techonology, but they have more expensive CCD..... Maybe it's a long shot, but it's cheap enough to give it a go.
All true but, in my opinion, the timing information shown on the data sheet affects way the results can be used.

In your example, the SCU inserts a time delay of around (5.0 + 16.5 +/- 3.7) milliseconds, which translates to about 10 percent of a heave mode cycle for an F1 vehicle (or 50 percent of the hub mode cycle).

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DaveW wrote:
Caito wrote:Corsys datron uses similar techonology, but they have more expensive CCD..... Maybe it's a long shot, but it's cheap enough to give it a go.
All true but, in my opinion, the timing information shown on the data sheet affects way the results can be used.

In your example, the SCU inserts a time delay of around (5.0 + 16.5 +/- 3.7) milliseconds, which translates to about 10 percent of a heave mode cycle for an F1 vehicle (or 50 percent of the hub mode cycle).
For a constant speed measurement averaged out over a few seconds the delay should be irrelevant right?
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Belatti
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I have fabricated and used the "ring brake pressure sensor" based cells and they work fine. I have learned some good stuff from a straight line test regarding the car but I have found some improvements to make to the sensors to have more reliable data.
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Are you post-processing the data, or just showing it up with your logger software?

Some filtering would really improve you S/N ratio since it's a really low frequency signal.
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Belatti
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I export to excel and work the data myself
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Belatti
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I have conducted a couple of successful straight line aero tests with the hidraulic cells now. Just to be sure I also installed the linear pots. The signal vs noise ratio is better using the cells. After a first try where I remachined some internal diameters to obtain desired pressures (they still could be improved), I could make sure smaller downforce differences are readable.

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Whats interesting when you plot cell and pot together is the phase difference between the front (and thus more rigid) and the rear.

ps: both are unfiltered traces
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