2014 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal

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The reports I've seen regarding the Ferrari PU suggest that they found solutions as clever as Merc, but didn't have the resources (time/money) to finish the job to the extent that Mercedes did. Since it's reasonable to say that the Ferrari PU won't be at the same level as Merc in Canada, I think that this race will be more or less similar to Bahrain and we'll see all the Merc-powered teams in the front.

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alexx_88 wrote:The reports I've seen regarding the Ferrari PU suggest that they found solutions as clever as Merc, but didn't have the resources (time/money) to finish the job to the extent that Mercedes did. Since it's reasonable to say that the Ferrari PU won't be at the same level as Merc in Canada, I think that this race will be more or less similar to Bahrain and we'll see all the Merc-powered teams in the front.
I am under the impression that Ferrari expect a reasonably large step from the engine though. It's seems to me that if the design is not necessarily less developed than the Mercedes, the problems they've experienced are down to implementation and this can presumably be fixed with software (they say the new mappings are much more aggressive).

So I expect Ferrari to be best of the rest here and I wouldn't be surprised if they are as close as red bull were in Spain.

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raymondu999 wrote:How "big" a PU upgrade is possible though? If they can somehow justify it as reliability then sure but otherwise it'd be pretty hard.
Ferrari stated that they were now happy with the reliability of the engine which opens up for more aggressive engine mapping. Their PU upgrade will be software only. But with these new engines software upgrades can do much for the performance.

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They need to improve the traction out odf the corners - they have more that enough wheelspin already - an aggresive mapping Will only worsen that

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Juzh wrote:This circuit will heavily favour all mercedes powered teams, similar as in bahrain. We'll see whether RB's DF advantage will allow them to muscle it out at the front (behind MB). I don't really know what to expect from ferrari. They've been nowhere in bahrain, but seem to be in a better shape now.
but its not really a high df track? Red Bull are best with long high speed corners where they can put the high df to good use - to which here there are non. I think tracks like this reward aero efficiency and I don't think RB go for that as much.

I don't think RB will be the 2nd quickest car here

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astracrazy wrote:
Juzh wrote:This circuit will heavily favour all mercedes powered teams, similar as in bahrain. We'll see whether RB's DF advantage will allow them to muscle it out at the front (behind MB). I don't really know what to expect from ferrari. They've been nowhere in bahrain, but seem to be in a better shape now.
but its not really a high df track? Red Bull are best with long high speed corners where they can put the high df to good use - to which here there are non. I think tracks like this reward aero efficiency and I don't think RB go for that as much.

I don't think RB will be the 2nd quickest car here
There's still some corners on the track. Bahrain is a similar type of circuit and they were a clear 2nd fastest car there. Gap seems to have widened since then to the rest of the field. Renault is also saying they'll be in better shape in canada.

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Amusing to see how everyone is hyping up Hamilton to "smash" Nico in this race.

This is EXACTLY what Nico needs to hear - I hope he gets wind of it... hearing that people are expecting Hamilton to win easily.

It's sooo much easier to be the underdog in a title fight and I feel that Nico feeds off it very well having no hype built up around him, he has dealt with everyone uber calmly so far this season and hey, he's #1 in the WDC.

Hamilton may be good on this track but he doesn't seem to strive under pressure as well as Nico does imo. Could be quite a shock. I think Nico or one of the RB drivers will win here.

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smr wrote: Hamilton may be good on this track but he doesn't seem to strive under pressure as well as Nico does imo.
Lol, I hope Hamilton will read these kind of things to prove you folks wrong again.

If Bahrain this year wasn't pressure, then I don't know. Apart from that, I seem to remember Rosberg spinning the car in China on his last attempt when it really mattered. Surely, that is not the way to deal with your teammate setting a brilliant lap, is it?

Any examples of Nico doing better than Lewis under pressure this year?

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smr wrote:Amusing to see how everyone is hyping up Hamilton to "smash" Nico in this race.

This is EXACTLY what Nico needs to hear - I hope he gets wind of it... hearing that people are expecting Hamilton to win easily.

It's sooo much easier to be the underdog in a title fight and I feel that Nico feeds off it very well having no hype built up around him, he has dealt with everyone uber calmly so far this season and hey, he's #1 in the WDC.

Hamilton may be good on this track but he doesn't seem to strive under pressure as well as Nico does imo. Could be quite a shock. I think Nico or one of the RB drivers will win here.
No hyping up here, just stating facts. Hamilton is very impressive at Montreal, Nico didn't show that until now.

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Interesting that Renault are making a mechanical change to their engine :

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114265

Obviously it's very much phrased as for reliability but I wonder what exactly is being changed.

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Technically Monaco was also Rosberg cracking under pressure and screwing up his lap, likely knowing Hamilton had some pace in his bag of tricks. Thankfully for him, it was Monaco, meaning keeping pole pretty much assured him the win.
Felipe Baby!

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smr wrote:Amusing to see how everyone is hyping up Hamilton to "smash" Nico in this race.

This is EXACTLY what Nico needs to hear - I hope he gets wind of it... hearing that people are expecting Hamilton to win easily.

It's sooo much easier to be the underdog in a title fight and I feel that Nico feeds off it very well having no hype built up around him, he has dealt with everyone uber calmly so far this season and hey, he's #1 in the WDC.

Hamilton may be good on this track but he doesn't seem to strive under pressure as well as Nico does imo. Could be quite a shock. I think Nico or one of the RB drivers will win here.
His "mistake" at Monaco would suggest that Rosberg hasn't been handling the pressure so well this season, never mind the fact he has had 2 opportunities for race wins and wasn't able to take advantage.

And Rosberg has bottled his Q3 laps so often, I don't see how anyone can say he handles the pressure fine.

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Dyanxx wrote:
smr wrote:Amusing to see how everyone is hyping up Hamilton to "smash" Nico in this race.

This is EXACTLY what Nico needs to hear - I hope he gets wind of it... hearing that people are expecting Hamilton to win easily.

It's sooo much easier to be the underdog in a title fight and I feel that Nico feeds off it very well having no hype built up around him, he has dealt with everyone uber calmly so far this season and hey, he's #1 in the WDC.

Hamilton may be good on this track but he doesn't seem to strive under pressure as well as Nico does imo. Could be quite a shock. I think Nico or one of the RB drivers will win here.
His "mistake" at Monaco would suggest that Rosberg hasn't been handling the pressure so well this season, never mind the fact he has had 2 opportunities for race wins and wasn't able to take advantage.

And Rosberg has bottled his Q3 laps so often, I don't see how anyone can say he handles the pressure fine.
He's German so he is automatically regarded as good under pressure.

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smr wrote:Amusing to see how everyone is hyping up Hamilton to "smash" Nico in this race.

This is EXACTLY what Nico needs to hear - I hope he gets wind of it... hearing that people are expecting Hamilton to win easily.

It's sooo much easier to be the underdog in a title fight and I feel that Nico feeds off it very well having no hype built up around him, he has dealt with everyone uber calmly so far this season and hey, he's #1 in the WDC.

Hamilton may be good on this track but he doesn't seem to strive under pressure as well as Nico does imo. Could be quite a shock. I think Nico or one of the RB drivers will win here.
If Lewis didn't have a car that forgot it needed to do more than just a parade lap in Australia, Lewis would have a minimum of 18 points more than he does right now and considering he was starting from pole, it would likely have been 25.

Given that there are only four points between the two of them, Lewis would likely have been 21 points up on Nico right now. Maybe 28 points up depending on the Monaco qualifying run he never got to have.

To put it simply, Lewis' on track performance as been good enough for almost a race win lead in points (regardless if e won in aus or not) wile Nikos performance as been good enough to lose himself a gifted race win lead in points


Put into perspective, Lewis is performing just fine.

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Dyanxx wrote: His "mistake" at Monaco would suggest that Rosberg hasn't been handling the pressure so well this season, never mind the fact he has had 2 opportunities for race wins and wasn't able to take advantage.
And Rosberg has bottled his Q3 laps so often, I don't see how anyone can say he handles the pressure fine.
You should really make up your mind whether it was mistake in quotation marks or cracking under pressure, as tempting as it may be you can't have both. Doing it on purpose and getting away with it would suggest the opposite of mistake and cracking.
As for handling pressure in general you can have all kinds of examples, most recent one: N.R. handled it better in the first Q3 run in Monaco, the second one is unknown on the part of L.H.