2014 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal

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Juzh
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Renault's so called upgrades really made the difference today.... except not.
http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ap_V01.pdf

This shows yet again red bull is by far the best car on the grid.

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Juzh wrote:Renault's so called upgrades really made the difference today.... except not.
http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ap_V01.pdf

This shows yet again red bull is by far the best car on the grid.
The best Renault powered car for sure.

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Juzh wrote:Renault's so called upgrades really made the difference today.... except not.
http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ap_V01.pdf

This shows yet again red bull is by far the best car on the grid.
Good for you, Mercedes is competing with McLaren 1988 at the moment to become the most dominant F1 car in history.

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Juzh wrote:Renault's so called upgrades really made the difference today.... except not.
http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ap_V01.pdf

This shows yet again red bull is by far the best car on the grid.
Which car got a 1-2 finish in Monaco again? Eg. the ultimate test of car drivability, the one circuit where power almost irrelevant?

Exactly.

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Juzh wrote:Renault's so called upgrades really made the difference today.... except not.
http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ap_V01.pdf
This shows yet again red bull is by far the best car on the grid.
1. No 2. You mean RED BULL-RENAULT team, that enjoys benefits of special, works-team partnership with engine manufacturer? Let's face it, it's also their fault, to the smaller extent ofc. Horner's/Marko's only idea of special preparations for biggest changes in the history of F1 was to have second team with the same engine. Recent successes got into their heads and they thought that that would be enough.

Oh look Maldonado got a reprimand, haha what a good laugh, I wonder what it was for:
- speeding under yellow flags (Rosberg)
- causing two collisions 100% fault (Raikkonen) (same for Monza 2013)
- turning into other driver mid-corner (Webber)
- 2 collisions with Kvyat and Massa (Alonso) - not even a reprimand
- taking other driver out of the race (Button 2014-Raikkonen 2013 Monaco) - not even a reprimand?
No, it was for "not replacing his steering wheel after stopping on track". Good to see that safety and driving standards are very important in F1. Whiting/Warwick were busy lately with local press interviews about Monaco Q3 with some knee jerk reactions like "why don't we extend qualifying by one minute when a yellow flag is shown in the last three minutes?" instead of explaining themselves about continuous, disgraceful application of penalties.

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Juzh wrote:Renault's so called upgrades really made the difference today.... except not.
http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ap_V01.pdf

This shows yet again red bull is by far the best car on the grid.
You must've missed the STRs as they were well up the chart. Red Bull probably has the most down force, maybe, but I'd say the Merc has equal or better aero efficiency(l/d). Given equal power units, the Red Bull might be quicker overall than the W05, but i get the feeling the Merc would shade it by the tiniest of margins.
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I have to admit, I'm pretty impressed the Nico out-qualifed Lewis at the one track where he supposedly couldn't touch Lewis. Looks like Rosbergs not gonna roll over and submit the 2014 title after all as so many Lewis fannboizz claimed he would.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970

“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher

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iotar__ wrote:
Juzh wrote:Renault's so called upgrades really made the difference today.... except not.
http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ap_V01.pdf
This shows yet again red bull is by far the best car on the grid.
1. No 2. You mean RED BULL-RENAULT team, that enjoys benefits of special, works-team partnership with engine manufacturer? Let's face it, it's also their fault, to the smaller extent ofc. Horner's/Marko's only idea of special preparations for biggest changes in the history of F1 was to have second team with the same engine. Recent successes got into their heads and they thought that that would be enough.

Oh look Maldonado got a reprimand, haha what a good laugh, I wonder what it was for:
- speeding under yellow flags (Rosberg)
- causing two collisions 100% fault (Raikkonen) (same for Monza 2013)
- turning into other driver mid-corner (Webber)
- 2 collisions with Kvyat and Massa (Alonso) - not even a reprimand
- taking other driver out of the race (Button 2014-Raikkonen 2013 Monaco) - not even a reprimand?
No, it was for "not replacing his steering wheel after stopping on track". Good to see that safety and driving standards are very important in F1. Whiting/Warwick were busy lately with local press interviews about Monaco Q3 with some knee jerk reactions like "why don't we extend qualifying by one minute when a yellow flag is shown in the last three minutes?" instead of explaining themselves about continuous, disgraceful application of penalties.
I agree with you about the way penalties are addressed, but replacing the steering wheel after a crash or a force majeure stop is more important than it seems: if the car is stuck in gear there is no way to remove it besides a crane
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iotar__ wrote:- taking other driver out of the race (Button 2014-Raikkonen 2013 Monaco) - not even a reprimand?
Why should Button get a reprimand for Perez taking himself out?

If you leave the racing line to try an overtake and have to back out of it, you can't just expect to fall back and rejoin the racing line if another car is there!

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SiLo wrote:Anyone willing to hazard a guess as to the deficit from 1st to 3rd?

I'll go first:

1.2 seconds.
It seems to have improved.
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Wow. Rosberg hands it to Hamilton at a track most everyone had conceded to be flat owned by Hamilton. Even David Hobbs (a clear Hamilton fanboy) was shocked at what Nico did today. Hats off to Nico for beating a very fast driver in quali fair and square. I'm not much of a Rossberg fan, but what he did today was impressive as Hamilton is an insanely fast qualifier. First chinks in Hamilton's armor are being exposed possibly. We will see tomorrow if Nico can hold the position...if so things may get dicey in the Merc garage - which would be great in a season owned by one team.

Fred must be on the phone with Ron tonight. Ferrari is lost.

Great to see Williams moving back up to the sharp end - really happy for Frank. I hope Massa and/or Bottas can capitalize tomorrow.
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Pierce89 wrote:I have to admit, I'm pretty impressed the Nico out-qualifed Lewis at the one track where he supposedly couldn't touch Lewis. Looks like Rosbergs not gonna roll over and submit the 2014 title after all as so many Lewis fannboizz claimed he would.
A friend and I where talking about this today, we think Lewis went for more of a race set-up than Nico. Lewis was substantially faster on the softs during p3 (the tire they will probably spend significantly longer on), and only 0.079 seconds slower on the super-softs, despite screwing up his lap. Are we correct, who knows!
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dans79 wrote:
Pierce89 wrote:I have to admit, I'm pretty impressed the Nico out-qualifed Lewis at the one track where he supposedly couldn't touch Lewis. Looks like Rosbergs not gonna roll over and submit the 2014 title after all as so many Lewis fannboizz claimed he would.
A friend and I where talking about this today, we think Lewis went for more of a race set-up than Nico. Lewis was substantially faster on the softs during p3 (the tire they will probably spend significantly longer on), and only 0.079 seconds slower on the super-softs, despite screwing up his lap. Are we correct, who knows!
Lewis admitted having screwed up his final lap, so I'm not convinced by the "more race oriented" idea. He would have been 2 tenths up on super softs had he not screwed up.

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beelsebob wrote:
dans79 wrote:
Pierce89 wrote:I have to admit, I'm pretty impressed the Nico out-qualifed Lewis at the one track where he supposedly couldn't touch Lewis. Looks like Rosbergs not gonna roll over and submit the 2014 title after all as so many Lewis fannboizz claimed he would.
A friend and I where talking about this today, we think Lewis went for more of a race set-up than Nico. Lewis was substantially faster on the softs during p3 (the tire they will probably spend significantly longer on), and only 0.079 seconds slower on the super-softs, despite screwing up his lap. Are we correct, who knows!
Lewis admitted having screwed up his final lap, so I'm not convinced by the "more race oriented" idea. He would have been 2 tenths up on super softs had he not screwed up.
As I said he was only a little slower despite screwing up. We think he is more race oriented, because he was so much faster on the softs during fp3, and q1. We also don't buy this hard to overtake talk from Lewis either. while it's not easy, the DRS advantage should be pretty good.
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The line NR took out of the last corner to the line is definitely worth 0.05 sec