2014 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal

[turbof1]

Question re Lewis, did he have to retire? Or did he not give it long enough and it may have come back to him like it did for Rosberg?

I don't think Rosberg's car came, back, Mercedes just went down to the other cars' performance level. So their secret is basically that their ERS.

No, it means Mercedes has to loose 160hp on a circuit that emphasis horsepower, in order to be slightly worse then other cars. Even without the ERS, Rosberg was still gaining in first and second sector.

Their secret is their package. They have a huge aero efficiency.

[beelsebob]

I agree, Lewis was attacking and then recharging. Without the issue, I think Lewis would have passed nico for sure.

He had already passed Nico when he had the issue.

The issue started before the pass, when he said he lost power, then he jumped nico in the pits.

The issue I was referring to was the one that caused the retirement.

[beelsebob]

Question re Lewis, did he have to retire? Or did he not give it long enough and it may have come back to him like it did for Rosberg?

I don't think Rosberg's car came, back, Mercedes just went down to the other cars' performance level. So their secret is basically that their ERS.

No, it means Mercedes has to loose 160hp on a circuit that emphasis horsepower, in order to be slightly worse then other cars. Even without the ERS, Rosberg was still gaining in first and second sector.

Their secret is their package. They have a huge aero efficiency.

Actually, the RedBull was gaining in S1 once it finally got un-corked.

[dans79]

The issue I was referring to was the one that caused the retirement.

I think we will find out in a few days that they are the same issue.

[johnsonwax]

I don't think Rosberg's car came, back, Mercedes just went down to the other cars' performance level. So their secret is basically that their ERS.

I'm just hearing from Paddy Lowe that Lewis failure was a brake failure. Rosberg had no KERS.

If ERS was the secret, then they shouldn't have been able to keep up with the other cars with just the ICE.

Lewis' ERS failed as well. That's when both cars lost 3s/lap. The ERS takes load off of the brakes, so when it's not working the brakes have to do much more than designed. Lewis either wasn't able to get the brakes cooled as well, or had heated his up more catching Nico, or something, so his failed faster than Nicos did. Once Lewis's failed, they radioed Nico and told him to save his brakes.

[beelsebob]

Either way, I agree, I'm confident Hamilton would have passed Rosberg even if neither had any issue.

[turbof1]

Actually, the RedBull was gaining in S1 once it finally got un-corked.

I remember Rosberg still gaining 2 tenths during one lap in S1. I'll have to rewatch to confirm.

[myurr]

Oh Lewis, you must be happy with Abu Double.

He closed 25 before and got ahead. This time it's 22. He won't need the double.

His problem is that he was already on his 3rd control electronics box, Nico was on his 2nd. Making a big presumption that Lewis can't reuse one of the other units then he'll be on his 4th before half the season has finished, so is likely to get a penalty by the year end. According to a Mercedes tweet this is the part that failed on both cars.

On the plus side he's got a GP and a half in hand on the other parts due to his two DNFs. I really hope Nico doesn't win the championship just because of reliability though, that would be a terrible conclusion to what should be a great and close battle between two team mates in equal machinery. If one can't show up to the fight because his car keeps failing on him then I don't see how anyone could call it a satisfying way to win.

[ringo]

I agree, Lewis was attacking and then recharging. Without the issue, I think Lewis would have passed nico for sure.

He had already passed Nico when he had the issue.

In fact he had passed him into turn1, but Nico Cheated and accelerated through the chicane, gaining 0.6s and coming out of DRS range for quite a few laps.
Had Rosberg given back the place or receive a 5 second penalty. Hamilton would have been ahead with no issues.


Rosberg doesn't seem to be sportsman he appeared to be at the begin of the season. His little push on the start of the race could have damaged Lewis' car as well. He's a very tricky one.

[beelsebob]

Actually, the RedBull was gaining in S1 once it finally got un-corked.

I remember Rosberg still gaining 2 tenths during one lap in S1. I'll have to rewatch to confirm.

Ros gained the 2 tenths in S2, not S1 IIRC.

[beelsebob]

Oh Lewis, you must be happy with Abu Double.

He closed 25 before and got ahead. This time it's 22. He won't need the double.

His problem is that he was already on his 3rd control electronics box, Nico was on his 2nd. Making a big presumption that Lewis can't reuse one of the other units then he'll be on his 4th before half the season has finished, so is likely to get a penalty by the year end. According to a Mercedes tweet this is the part that failed on both cars.

On the plus side he's got a GP and a half in hand on the other parts due to his two DNFs. I really hope Nico doesn't win the championship just because of reliability though, that would be a terrible conclusion to what should be a great and close battle between two team mates in equal machinery. If one can't show up to the fight because his car keeps failing on him then I don't see how anyone could call it a satisfying way to win.

No, both were on their 2nd of every part before the start of this race.

[markn93]

Actually, the RedBull was gaining in S1 once it finally got un-corked.

I remember Rosberg still gaining 2 tenths during one lap in S1. I'll have to rewatch to confirm.

Yeah it seemed to be a case of Nico gaining a tenth in S1 then Lewis getting it back in S2, he did manage to close the gap down from 2 seconds after the first pitstops though and had Nico not jumped the chicane I'm convinced Lewis would have had him down that straight with DRS.

[myurr]

Either way, I agree, I'm confident Hamilton would have passed Rosberg even if neither had any issue.

Yeah, Lewis was a LOT quicker on the soft tyres. Makes you wonder if Nico is deliberately biasing the setup towards qualifying pace to bring himself into contention when he doesn't think he has the legs on Hamilton in the long runs. After the stops when LH was in clean air he took 0.9 seconds out of Nico in a single lap, roughly the advantage he had on the softs in Q1.

[dans79]

Oh Lewis, you must be happy with Abu Double.

He closed 25 before and got ahead. This time it's 22. He won't need the double.

His problem is that he was already on his 3rd control electronics box, Nico was on his 2nd. Making a big presumption that Lewis can't reuse one of the other units then he'll be on his 4th before half the season has finished, so is likely to get a penalty by the year end. According to a Mercedes tweet this is the part that failed on both cars.

On the plus side he's got a GP and a half in hand on the other parts due to his two DNFs. I really hope Nico doesn't win the championship just because of reliability though, that would be a terrible conclusion to what should be a great and close battle between two team mates in equal machinery. If one can't show up to the fight because his car keeps failing on him then I don't see how anyone could call it a satisfying way to win.

Honestly, I hope they wrap up the WCC quick so they can stop the data sharing, because i honestly think Nico will be utterly lost without Lewis's data to study.

[Shrieker]

While Ted was interviewing Paddy, he asked Paddy whether the loss of mgu-k somewhat caused the rear brake to fail. As you know the mgu-k takes away the braking load and if it's not working properly the rear brakes will have to work overtime and they simply don't have the required cooling - especially on a track like this. Paddy first said Hamilton's brake problem was independent from loss of power but when Ted hassled him with the question consequently Paddy replied by saying it could've been a contributing factor.

Bizarrely enough, when Lewis was chasing Nico in the first stint, Nico came on the radio and asked what sort of brake balance Lewis was using. The reply from his engineer was that Hamilton's balance was more biased towards the rears.

Food for thought.