2014 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal

[the user]

Either way, I agree, I'm confident Hamilton would have passed Rosberg even if neither had any issue.

And I'm confident Rosberg would have won. It looked as if though his problems started just after his first pit stop ad that allowed Hamilton to catch him at a very quick pace.

[jz11]

I don't think Rosberg's car came, back, Mercedes just went down to the other cars' performance level. So their secret is basically that their ERS.

I'm just hearing from Paddy Lowe that Lewis failure was a brake failure. Rosberg had no KERS.

the really interesting bit is that - considering they couldn't pretty much harvest any energy from the brakes for half of the race, have no top end power for the straight line speed, how would that impact fuel consumption?

there was even a radio message before the start that ROS has to take extra care to manage fuel, then there was the safety car, but I don't believe they could save so much in those 8 or so laps to last half the race with little or no hybrid power at all at that pace

Perhaps the lack of harvesting put more stress on the brakes, causing them to fail.

I meant, in my mind - ROS should have had very big fuel consumption problems, because the rest pretty much use very similar amount of fuel (for the given pace they had) but have the added benefit of ERS systems to get to the end of the distance, but Mercedes didn't have it (or the issue wasn't big), so they basically wouldn't have enough energy in their fuel tank to go the distance

ends just don't meet for the whole hybrid business supposedly having such a big impact on the fuel consumption

[ringo]

I don't think Rosberg's car came, back, Mercedes just went down to the other cars' performance level. So their secret is basically that their ERS.

I'm just hearing from Paddy Lowe that Lewis failure was a brake failure. Rosberg had no KERS.

If ERS was the secret, then they shouldn't have been able to keep up with the other cars with just the ICE.

Lewis' ERS failed as well. That's when both cars lost 3s/lap. The ERS takes load off of the brakes, so when it's not working the brakes have to do much more than designed. Lewis either wasn't able to get the brakes cooled as well, or had heated his up more catching Nico, or something, so his failed faster than Nicos did. Once Lewis's failed, they radioed Nico and told him to save his brakes.

Yes a KERS failure takes away the extra power, hmm.. i think Perez problems with his brakes is the reason why it seem rosberg was still performing just as good. Maybe if perez was out of the picture, we'd have seen 4 or 5 cars get past.

[myurr]

No, both were on their 2nd of every part before the start of this race.

Not according to this chart:

[beelsebob]

Either way, I agree, I'm confident Hamilton would have passed Rosberg even if neither had any issue.

And I'm confident Rosberg would have won. It looked as if though his problems started just after his first pit stop ad that allowed Hamilton to catch him at a very quick pace.

No, the power unit problems had not begun at that point – hamilton was simply much quicker on the softs.

[60DShim]

It saddens me to see a Championship play out like this. 4 race wins, two DNF's through no fault of his own. Teammate has two wins and has finished every race. The championship shouldn't be decided on who's car is more reliable, it should be decided on who actually wins the most races. Isn't that what racing is about anyways?

[Just_a_fan]

Thoroughly pissed about Lewis......

His record here is basically win or dnf, so not that surprising sadly. I think he can pull off a Vettelesque dominant streak to end the season, so am not too concerned. He prefers being the hunter and he's come back from a bigger deficit already this year.

You may not be too concerned, but I guarentee Lewis is.

I'm not so sure. Racing drivers put mechanical failures behind them - they can't control them and they are no measure of their performance so their ego just says "not my problem" and they move on. If a failure is because of something they did, or because they didn't drive well, then it's an issue.

[ringo]

Either way, I agree, I'm confident Hamilton would have passed Rosberg even if neither had any issue.

And I'm confident Rosberg would have won. It looked as if though his problems started just after his first pit stop ad that allowed Hamilton to catch him at a very quick pace.

You seem to be forgetting that rosberg was basically overtaken from the getgo and he cut a chicane. As Lewis got Vetell out the way Rosgerg was fishfood. Hamilton was much quicker today, almost seemed as if they were in different cars.

[dans79]

Either way, I agree, I'm confident Hamilton would have passed Rosberg even if neither had any issue.

And I'm confident Rosberg would have won. It looked as if though his problems started just after his first pit stop ad that allowed Hamilton to catch him at a very quick pace.

No, the power unit problems had not begun at that point – hamilton was simply much quicker on the softs.

I agree, his FP3 and Q1 times prove he was much faster than Nico on the softs.

[ringo]

Either way, I agree, I'm confident Hamilton would have passed Rosberg even if neither had any issue.

And I'm confident Rosberg would have won. It looked as if though his problems started just after his first pit stop ad that allowed Hamilton to catch him at a very quick pace.

No, the power unit problems had not begun at that point – hamilton was simply much quicker on the softs.

i Think Mercedes may need to redesign their braking systems. The car should be able to manage full ERS load with max range of bias of the brakes. A bigger rear brake could solve that issue.

[dans79]

I should mention that I said yesterday that i thought Lewis would win, because a friend and i both thought Lewis had gone for a more race biased set-up.

[the user]

Either way, I agree, I'm confident Hamilton would have passed Rosberg even if neither had any issue.

And I'm confident Rosberg would have won. It looked as if though his problems started just after his first pit stop ad that allowed Hamilton to catch him at a very quick pace.

No, the power unit problems had not begun at that point – hamilton was simply much quicker on the softs.

In that case this chase could have contributed to brake failure. If Rosberg had a more forwards brake bias then he didn't put as much load on the rear brakes and they survived longer than Hamilton's.

[myurr]

Bizarrely enough, when Lewis was chasing Nico in the first stint, Nico came on the radio and asked what sort of brake balance Lewis was using. The reply from his engineer was that Hamilton's balance was more biased towards the rears.

I find it bizarre that Mercedes think that live data sharing like that is fair. Without telemetry from the cars I personally think that Hamilton would be wiping the floor with Rosberg. NR is a very very good driver and it's a credit to him that he's able to copy and built upon what Lewis is doing, but I have no doubt that he's gaining a huge amount by being able to study what Lewis is doing through natural talent.

[dans79]

Bizarrely enough, when Lewis was chasing Nico in the first stint, Nico came on the radio and asked what sort of brake balance Lewis was using. The reply from his engineer was that Hamilton's balance was more biased towards the rears.

I find it bizarre that Mercedes think that live data sharing like that is fair. Without telemetry from the cars I personally think that Hamilton would be wiping the floor with Rosberg. NR is a very very good driver and it's a credit to him that he's able to copy and built upon what Lewis is doing, but I have no doubt that he's gaining a huge amount by being able to study what Lewis is doing through natural talent.

I 100% agree with this!

[myurr]

i Think Mercedes may need to redesign their braking systems. The car should be able to manage full ERS load with max range of bias of the brakes. A bigger rear brake could solve that issue.

At the expense of more weight. They also couldn't get the cooling right for such a wide variance. They could open the ducts up but then they'd run too cool in normal usage, or they could set the up for normal usage in which case they'd overheat. I'd rather they made sure the PU worked reliably in the first place!