2014 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal

[evered7]

Because the drivers championship is about who is the BEST driver, to me the BEST means who has won the most races. The WCC should be decided on reliability/consistency but the WDC should be decided on race wins alone.

To me it looked like Rosberg managed to nurse the car the 'BEST' and got a 2nd place while Hamilton couldn't quite replicate Rosberg's efforts.
In the end it all comes down to perspectives. But the rules were established prior to start of the championship and must be adhered to.
Not sure if all the posters will sound the same if the Rosberg was the suffering party.

[iotar__]

Absolutely, FIA should have realised early on that these cars were going to be unreliable thus championship results being skewed and implemented a system like they used to have where only 75% of the results count towards the championship.

Why should consistency and reliability not be rewarded?

Because Hamilton is not wining , don't you understand? Couple of DNFs from Rosberg and current system is perfect and all those silly ideas forgotten. This 17 out if 20 is as silly as it gets, let's say it's 2008, Hamilton drives into Raikkonen in the pits - this race doesn't count, Massa's engine is damaged in Hungary when he leads the race - result doesn't count. Thus making these two incidents equal from driver's perspective- fair as hell. Or maybe they do it after the last race and recount the points .

[Unrelated:] BTW how is Hamilton jumping Rosberg during pitstop unfair team treatment/conspiracy going?

[ringo]

Today had nothing to do with one driver driving too hard and destroying his car. The ERS system as suggested by one of the commentators may well have been the cause of the brake failure. Rosberg's brakes in fact underwent the same smoking issue until he was told to send the bias to the front.
Ultimately this isn't a fanboy and hater showdown. Rosberg was not the faster mercedes car today. For Hamilton to pass vettel then Go onto Rosbergs bumper, and do it again even after Rosberg cheated is enough evidence he would have won this race under normal circumstances.

As i alluded to after qualifying. Rosberg is very good student. He will study your data and see where you gain, and then risk copying in the same way. But once variables change, he is lost and has no data to depend on. He's not driving off talent. And that's what we have seen in this race today, where he has countless locks when having to drive on the limit.
When the pressure starts to go to him, he claws for more data by asking the team to tell him how Hamilton's car is set for the race.

In fact i think Mercedes needs to stop this. Sharing data up to P3 is fine. But when it comes to the race and even Q3 i don't think it's very fair. It's almost like copying in a test.

[dans79]

I love how races like this bring out all the fans who hate Lewis!

[60DShim]

Because the drivers championship is about who is the BEST driver, to me the BEST means who has won the most races. The WCC should be decided on reliability/consistency but the WDC should be decided on race wins alone.

To me it looked like Rosberg managed to nurse the car the 'BEST' and got a 2nd place while Hamilton couldn't quite replicate Rosberg's efforts.
In the end it all comes down to perspectives. But the rules were established prior to start of the championship and must be adhered to.
Not sure if all the posters will sound the same if the Rosberg was the suffering party.

I've been saying it for years. The WDC needs to be reworked, it's so silly that a driver can lose the championship through a few mechanical DNF's despite winning the most races. That's honestly stupid.

If Nico won 4 and DNF'd twice while Hamilton has won 2 and finished 2nd a bunch of times but was leading/won the championship I would say the exact same thing. The driver with the most wins should take home the WDC. Period.

The constructors should be decided on reliability/consistency ect...

[evered7]

In fact i think Mercedes needs to stop this. Sharing data up to P3 is fine. But when it comes to the race and even Q3 i don't think it's very fair. It's almost like copying in a test.

I believe I have heard Smedley mentioning many times to Massa as to where he is losing time W.R.T Alonso. Knowing the data is one thing. But to actually be able to achieve the effort on track takes some ability.

Rosberg might study all he wants but he is able to achieve it because he has the speed.

[ringo]

Boy it's hard to argue that one.
It's just who's luckier wins it. Reliability has nothing to do with the drivers, but i guess it's part of the sport.
Where you finish is where you finish, both car and driver.

[myurr]

Because the drivers championship is about who is the BEST driver, to me the BEST means who has won the most races. The WCC should be decided on reliability/consistency but the WDC should be decided on race wins alone.

To me it looked like Rosberg managed to nurse the car the 'BEST' and got a 2nd place while Hamilton couldn't quite replicate Rosberg's efforts.
In the end it all comes down to perspectives. But the rules were established prior to start of the championship and must be adhered to.
Not sure if all the posters will sound the same if the Rosberg was the suffering party.

Lowe said that Hamilton suffered a second unrelated failure of the car. Nothing to do with one managing it better than the other.

[F1 addicted]

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[60DShim]

Because the drivers championship is about who is the BEST driver, to me the BEST means who has won the most races. The WCC should be decided on reliability/consistency but the WDC should be decided on race wins alone.

To me it looked like Rosberg managed to nurse the car the 'BEST' and got a 2nd place while Hamilton couldn't quite replicate Rosberg's efforts.
In the end it all comes down to perspectives. But the rules were established prior to start of the championship and must be adhered to.
Not sure if all the posters will sound the same if the Rosberg was the suffering party.

Lowe said that Hamilton suffered a second unrelated failure of the car. Nothing to do with one managing it better than the other.

Yep, and his championship hopes shouldn't be wrecked because of a mechanical DNF. Same goes for Nico, Vettel, Alonso and every other driver. The driver with the most victories should win the WDC, 2nd-22nd place should be decided the same. Where did you finish throughout the entire season? Most 2nd place finishes well you get 2nd. So on and so forth. That IMO is fair to every driver and I don't think any of them would disagree.

You have a tie for most 2nd place finishes, well the tie breaker should be which of them have more 3rd place finishes. It's a really simple but extremely effective way to determine the WDC. Too bad the FIA aren't that intelligent.

[e30ernest]

In fact i think Mercedes needs to stop this. Sharing data up to P3 is fine. But when it comes to the race and even Q3 i don't think it's very fair. It's almost like copying in a test.

I think as far as Mercedes is concerned, the WDC is secondary to the WCC. Sharing data will be advantageous to the team as a whole. Unfair to either driver perhaps, but as long as the team gets their 1-2s, they'll keep on doing it. Maybe when the WCC has been decided, then they'll pull out all the stops.

IMO reliability and consistency should count. Nursing your car home while extracting the most speed out of it is a skill in itself.

On the Massa-Perez incident, it did look like Perez pulled to the left just as he braked. If there will be a penalty, it would be on him (not Massa). There was no way Massa could have reacted on time. Vettel was lucky he didn't get collected by either cars too.

Whether or not the cut chicane was cheating or not, luck was on Nico's side today and he did a great job at managing the race. He almost lost it on his out-lap and that was a massively good save. In the end, he did a great job at nursing his car on the end pushing just enough to stay out of DRS range from Perez.

A good win by Ricciardo! It's nice to see him get the first win for Red Bull this year!

A very exciting race! I'm glad I stayed up for it (I am 12 hours ahead of Canada).

[i70q7m7ghw]

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Pretty meaningless since the cars are already crashing and Perez would have rotated due to the impact. Also, he didn't drive down that red line, he took a middle position in to the corner from much further back. The onboard of Perez didn't show any suspect steering wheel movements..

[the user]

Yep, and his championship hopes shouldn't be wrecked because of a mechanical DNF. Same goes for Nico, Vettel, Alonso and every other driver. The driver with the most victories should win the WDC, 2nd-22nd place should be decided the same. Where did you finish throughout the entire season? Most 2nd place finishes well you get 2nd. So on and so forth. That IMO is fair to every driver and I don't think any of them would disagree.

You have a tie for most 2nd place finishes, well the tie breaker should be which of them have more 3rd place finishes. It's a really simple but extremely effective way to determine the WDC. Too bad the FIA aren't that intelligent.

So based on this idea, at this point in the season Perez would be in front of Hulkenberg in the standings. Which would be idiotic.

[dans79]

IMO reliability and consistency should count. Nursing your car home while extracting the most speed out of it is a skill in itself.

It wasn't skill though, it was the benefit of being in clear air for longer.

[dans79]

and for those saying DNF's should count, you might find it interesting to know that FI used to have a rule called "best results count" and it played an important role in the 1988 season.