2014 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal

[mikeerfol]

Hello!

Anyone has footage of Button getting passed Alonso and Hulk ? I was shocked when I saw he finished fourth. I was even afraid of him being penalized for overtaking under SC or something, but it appears he passed both of them on lap 69.

Alonso said that to ESPN : "I tried to pass Hulkenberg in very strange places to try to get the overtaking done, which I managed to do but we both went offline and nearly hit the grass and then Button took the opportunity to overtake, and then Hulkenberg overtook me back on the straight and that was it."

Wonder where that happened.

According to Button, it occured at the hairpin.

[FW17]

Did they forget penalty points or is that only for pastor maldonado?

Perez is usually a clean driver so they prolly thought applying license points would be overly harsh.

Points system was introduced to be handed out irrespective of past infractions. This was clearly a case of causing an accident that was more dangerous than anything seen for a long time. This is very similar to the idiocy of Eddie Irvine in Brazil 1994

[Vettel Maggot]

Nico knew how to drive around the problem and secured valuable points. Delighted for Ricciardo, Perez needs a harsher penalty than 5 places on the grid. Try 15. He clearly moved over on Massa, glad no one was hurt, that was a big accident.

[FrukostScones]

Did they forget penalty points or is that only for pastor maldonado?

Perez is usually a clean driver so they prolly thought applying license points would be overly harsh.

lol, that is a good one!

[SiLo]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Rosberg "knowing" how to drive around the problem. Brake failure wasn't slowly becoming a problem that could have been solved by driving differently, it failed and there wasn't anything he could do about it.

Having the ERS fail probably didn't help the brakes at all, I'm guessing this was the root cause, not his driving style.

[FW17]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Rosberg "knowing" how to drive around the problem. Brake failure wasn't slowly becoming a problem that could have been solved by driving differently, it failed and there wasn't anything he could do about it.

Having the ERS fail probably didn't help the brakes at all, I'm guessing this was the root cause, not his driving style.

Rosberg was doing the race with a brake balance forward while Hamilton was rearward bias. Rosberg locked up badly after the first stop because of the front bias, then changed it to a more rear bias based on Hamilton's data, soon after which the problem struck. Luckly Rosberg had more rear brakes left in comparison to Hamilton and nursed the car to the finish.

[thomin]

Rosberg was doing the race with a brake balance forward while Hamilton was rearward bias. Rosberg locked up badly after the first stop because of the front bias, then changed it to a more rear bias based on Hamilton's data, soon after which the problem struck. Luckly Rosberg had more rear brakes left in comparison to Hamilton and nursed the car to the finish.

Rosberg said that he pushed his brake bias all the way to the front after the electric motor failed, making it even more difficult than merely dealing with a 160hp loss.

[SiLo]

Would the team have told both of them to shift the brake bias forwards as far as possible?

It would seem logical given the fact that they obviously wanted both to finish the race. What I would like to know is, if Hamilton was being held up by Rosberg (assuming he didn't retire with brake failure) would the team have told Rosberg to let him past so that they were less vulnerable to Massa/Perez/Ric?

[thevlack]

It saddens me to see a Championship play out like this. 4 race wins, two DNF's through no fault of his own. Teammate has two wins and has finished every race. The championship shouldn't be decided on who's car is more reliable, it should be decided on who actually wins the most races. Isn't that what racing is about anyways?

I read somewhere do not remember who was (But was here)

That the WDC is defined but how well the TEAM works, and the WCC is related to how good the DRIVERS are. (or Somethings like this, but the idea stands)

So a guess to win a WDC you need to be there, car needs to work fine and you have to have the luck on your side, I do not see anything wrong with it

[siskue2005]

Perez's braking was utterly irrelevant, he moved off the racing line as Massa tried to dive down the inside and caused the accident - it's pretty clear cut from all the footage and clearly it was to the stewards too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUEbC1bf2sc I have not seen it on this angle but now I have. It does tell a different story.

[iotar__]

Ok after re-watching I slightly changed my mind, it kind of was more Perez's fault, live it seemed closer - depends mostly on a camera angle (overhead). Certainly not 100% though - car falling apart, tyres, breaking point which were different, Massa's late risky, approach to overtake, too fast and too close. Reprimand only worthy at worst judging by recent and previous decisions (De Resta/Raikkonen Monza 2013). Williams should blame mostly themselves.

The rest the same, most important numbers in case anyone missed or forgot (2nd pitstop):
Rosberg 25.102
Hamilton 23.554
Proof that Mercedes hates Rosberg and Hamilton's biggest achievement in this GP if you still think he's winning it easily despite losing qualifying, losing first corner and not being able to overtake Rosberg on track despite very competitive strategy. Even with I admit controversial leaving the track circumstances, just being faster on softs does not make an overtake formality.

[nacho]

Williams' seems to have the worst strategies of the top teams in every race, like yesterday pitting Bottas early and throwing him right into the worst traffic. Massa also lost some time behind Bottas, they still don't seem to have an understanding how to handle these situations.

[RZS10]

Apparently MGP failed to take precautions after seeing that the temps in the Control Unit were getting too high ... seriously ... wtf -.-

from AMuS Race Analysis: "Mercedes-Teamchef Toto Wolff musste nach dem Rennen zerknirscht zugeben, dass der Ausfall der MGU-K wohl zu verhindern war. Man habe die hohen Temperaturen in der Hybrid-Steuerbox zwar erkannt, aber nicht rechtzeitig Gegenmaßnahmen eingeleitet."

Mercedes Team Principal Toto Wolff had to admit compunctiously that the MGU-K failure could have been avoided. The high temperatures in the Control Unit were recognized but countermeasures were applied too late.

[Mandrake]

The issue is that Rosberg out braked himself. Had he actually tried to stay on track he would have had to make a much sharper turn, and slow down much more significantly. Instead, he made nearly no turn, and floored it. Had that mistake happened somewhere where there were walls, he absolutely would have lost the position, no question. For that reason, I'd suggest that he absolutely did keep the lead by using the run off area, and absolutely should have been at least forced to give Hamilton the position.

This is again double standards......talking about imaginary walls, in Bahrain Hamilton made Rosberg leave the track several times after Rosberg was alongside on the outside. Had there been the imaginary walls, they would either have crashed or Lewis would have to have forfeited. If it was okay for you that Hamilton crowded out Rosberg then you should be fine with the chicane now as well.

The rest the same, most important numbers in case anyone missed or forgot (2nd pitstop):
Rosberg 25.102
Hamilton 23.554

Thanks for those times, it looked painfully slow on TV, but 1,6 seconds longer for Rosberg is quite a blow if Lewis is only 1sec behind. So much for Hamilton was able to overtake Rosberg

[i70q7m7ghw]

The chicane incident is nothing. Lewis was not alongside or even close to pass there, Nico just braked too late. Had he tried to make the chicane, he would have slowed down massively and blocked Hamilton. Would have been a drag race to turn 1 which I'm sure rosberg would have used to stay in front.

In Spain and Bahrain, rosberg was the faster driver but couldn't get past Hamilton. Today Hamilton appeared to be quicker but could not get past. Tough luck vettel would say. Only the botched pitstop for rosberg opened the chances for Hamilton to pass.

I think the point is he set the fastest lap of the race by 0.5 seconds, and Hamilton had to catch up all over again, despite doing nothing wrong himself. Although Rosberg didn't gain track position, he increased the gap to Hamilton and prevented him from getting DRS for a little bit longer. It's a bit like Monaco, he made a mistake, but he gained an advantage from it, which not particularly fair or sporting. He was lucky to escape punishment.

Now I'm not saying a drive through or stop go was the right punishment, but unfortunately it's all the stewards have available. Perhaps, with this in mind they felt the crime didn't justify these punishments and decided to go with a final warning. I think in future, the stewards should be able to add the time back on at the end of the race. In this instance I feel Rosberg probably should have had 1 second added to his final race time.