Hondas new front wing

[ConsFW]

Indeed!
Financially able, just not mechanically !
I would LOVE to see what the Spyker (old Jordan guys) could do with a budget like Toyotas.

How about Super Aguri? They're a one-year old team with a small budget. They've pulled out some very impressive performances and are showing tremendous promise.


I don't understand why there are so many viciously negative posts, yet very few positive posts. I very rarely see people make compliments when a small team such as Super Aguri does well, but I very often see armchair experts pick at this and that when a team does poorly. It seems like people enjoy criticizing and hypothesizing even when they have very little information. How many of you actually know what you're talking about, apart from breadcrumbs of information and rumors gleaned from the mainstream media? How many of you are aerodynamicists, or have studied aerodynamics in-depth? Thus far there has been very little actual aerodynamic discussion. Instead we have the internet-experts declaring the exact cause of Honda's troubles and the internet-aerodynamicists declaring the ineffectiveness of the new front wing because - to summarize in layman's terms - 'it looks funny.'

[kilcoo316]

How many of you are aerodynamicists, or have studied aerodynamics in-depth?

There are quite a few on this forum that have studied aerodynamics at undergraduate level, some post-graduate, and some are working in F1 teams, so, there is a fair bit of educated judgement floating around.

Thus far there has been very little actual aerodynamic discussion. Instead we have the internet-experts declaring the exact cause of Honda's troubles and the internet-aerodynamicists declaring the ineffectiveness of the new front wing because - to summarize in layman's terms - 'it looks funny.'

Well... its not too hard to tell that those dumbo wings (or whatever you want to call them) are a desperate attempt at a band aid fix to vary the downforce produced by the front end as the pitch angle of the car changes (i.e. under braking). Indeed, in a corner, the inside one will be producing lift, and a helluva lot of understeer will result from both.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work that out!

[mahesh248]

Guys chill out their always freedom of expression every where ..u dont need to be an Aerodynamic expert .....well i guess honda are getting absolutely wrong they need some good luck now

[ginsu]

How many of you are aerodynamicists, or have studied aerodynamics in-depth? Thus far there has been very little actual aerodynamic discussion. Instead we have the internet-experts declaring the exact cause of Honda's troubles and the internet-aerodynamicists declaring the ineffectiveness of the new front wing because - to summarize in layman's terms - 'it looks funny.'

If Honda weren't having problems with race pace, and were winning races, and they introduced the exact same wing design, we might think it was ingenious.

The reason why everybody is laughing is because they are already struggling, and instead of trying solutions like the front runners (i.e. triple element wings, BMW's 2.5 element wing) they tack on these huge appendices that, at least, look like a desperate attempt to fix a problem they don't really understand.

Besides, if you think that is a wing, then you are really wrong. I'm 99% certain that the 'dumbo ears' produce absolutely no downforce by themselves. Maybe they help clean up the flow for the rear of the car, but they are by no means operating as a wing.

[DaveKillens]

I have to admit I was one who laughed and sniggered at these amusing appendages. You have to admit they do look funny.
But their placement and appearance suggest they control airflow along the upper surface of the chassis, and probably affect the sidepods and fences. All in the goal of delivering the optimal path of airflow to the rear section and wing for improved efficiency and elimination of undesirable effects.

[PNSD]

How many of you are aerodynamicists, or have studied aerodynamics in-depth?

There are quite a few on this forum that have studied aerodynamics at undergraduate level, some post-graduate, and some are working in F1 teams, so, there is a fair bit of educated judgement floating around.

Well... its not too hard to tell that those dumbo wings (or whatever you want to call them) are a desperate attempt at a band aid fix to vary the downforce produced by the front end as the pitch angle of the car changes (i.e. under braking). Indeed, in a corner, the inside one will be producing lift, and a helluva lot of understeer will result from both.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work that out!

Aghh thats quoted me for things I never said =/ :S

[ds.raikkonen]

I remember BMW Sauber using similar concept in the French GP 2006,(the vertical wings)..they said that it 'stabilised the air flow' and that it did nt hamper the vision of the driver...i guess it did nt work, thats why they dumped them

[Sawtooth-spike]

I remember BMW Sauber using similar concept in the French GP 2006,(the vertical wings)..they said that it 'stabilised the air flow' and that it did nt hamper the vision of the driver...i guess it did nt work, thats why they dumped them

FIA Ether banned them or asked them to be removed

[ds.raikkonen]

FIA Ether banned them or asked them to be removed

are they legal now? i mean with honda's ears and all...?

[Sawtooth-spike]

they are not the same thing and in terms of F1 distance they are no where near the same place.

The are within an area you can add things

[modbaraban]

they are not the same thing and in terms of F1 distance they are no where near the same place.

Theу are within an area you can add things

most likely the drivers don't even see these ears.

[manchild]

Aren't those ears going to cause HUGE understeer or oversteer under strong crosswind?

[kilcoo316]

Aren't those ears going to cause HUGE understeer or oversteer under strong crosswind?

Yeap - they are also gonna cause huge understeer in high speed corners.

An F1 car can have a yaw rate of over 30deg/sec - thats not to be sniffed at in terms of lateral aerodynamic effects.

[mini696]

Honda have been complaining of loosing their balance under braking all season and throughout testing. These just look like flow conditioners indended to keep a more constant flow over the car at all times.

[superstring]

Hi folks, first post, though perhaps not an intelligent one! I think I've got it figured out: those wings are actually leaves!.....you know, lily pads etc...... Goes with the paint scheme, don't you think?

edit: I guess this is my second post?