Ferrari F14T

[PlatinumZealot]

This wing doesn't have enough "turn" on the upper flaps.

[Pierce89]

This wing doesn't have enough "turn" on the upper flaps.

http://i.imgur.com/6zCBQN8.jpg

If you notice that, I'm sure Ferrari has too, and tried it out. They ran a more agressive "turn out" in 2010-11, so I'm sure they know what they're doing. With a Merc engine, this chassis would win multiple races.

[turbof1]

This wing doesn't have enough "turn" on the upper flaps.

http://i.imgur.com/6zCBQN8.jpg

If you notice that, I'm sure Ferrari has too, and tried it out. They ran a more agressive "turn out" in 2010-11, so I'm sure they know what they're doing. With a Merc engine, this chassis would win multiple races.

I'd doubt that. It's not only the engine that makes the difference, as evident in Canada.

I do agree that you can't just tell that they "don't have enough turn". Ferrari has their completely own philosophy of front wing shapes (although pure on intuition, I find their FW too simple compared to the complex ones of mercedes, red bull or indeed even mclaren).

[bhall II]

Ironically, if you look at Red Bull's current front wing end plates, you'll find they've copied a concept Ferrari worked on in 2012 and 2013.





I think the design is a way to increase the effective span of the wing through the end plate, and it's likely Ferrari's highly publicized "correlation issues" prevented them from getting it to work. Hence, their use of a simpler design this year.

[Morteza]

https://twitter.com/techF1LES/status/479962085355683841 https://twitter.com/techF1LES/status/479956167909965824

[Constructr]

Why do they put this yellow thing in front of the exhaust exit?

So no debris gets in the turbo. The pipe is quite short.

[f300v10]

New sidepod flow condition on Kimi's car, and slightly different version (longer) of new engine cover:



From twitter feed of https://twitter.com/techF1LES

[rich1701]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114525


Does anyone have any pictures from the "sparks test"?

[gavingav1]

spark test
http://gfycat.com/BlankMammothCanadagoose

[Snelle Eddy]

Are Fernando and Kimi driving with the updates? Anybody any info?

[RZS10]

seemed like it, yes

[f1316]

The question is more: which updates? Looked to me like the new, bigger bargeboards but I couldn't tell which engine cover.

[PlatinumZealot]

This wing doesn't have enough "turn" on the upper flaps.

http://i.imgur.com/6zCBQN8.jpg

If you notice that, I'm sure Ferrari has too, and tried it out. They ran a more agressive "turn out" in 2010-11, so I'm sure they know what they're doing. With a Merc engine, this chassis would win multiple races.

Not talking about the end plates, good Sir. I was speaking of the front upper flaps. If you look on the Mclaren, Mercedes, Lotus and Force India the front upper flaps and the inboard vertical turning vane are shaped to work together to side-wash the air going over the outboard, upper shoulders of the tyre. This is not something that was commonly done before. Only Lotus did this concept in 2012 until about 2013 when other teams adopted the concept. Ferrari's upper front wing flaps are only midly turned outward and seem to not redirect the air outward as much.

2012 Lotus Front wing


2014 Mercedes front wing



I think Ferrari's upper wing flaps are quite old in design; intricate wing flaps have never been a priority for Ferrari. I think that needs to change with this formula. Ferrari needs to adopt the newer concept as any advantage is welcomed at this point. I won't be surprised if they introduced a new wing with the Vertical turning vane and aggressively turned upper flaps in a few races. (Silverstone?)

[bhall II]

I think Ferrari's solution is actually better.

Mercedes' aggressive outwash design appears to be an attempt to provide more consistent downforce at the expense of peak downforce. The flaps direct more air flow around the high pressure area in front of the wheels, but the effective span of the wing is compromised in order to accommodate the sharper bend.



The more subtle bend of the Ferrari design, on the other hand, allows for a longer span, because it relies more on the steering angle of the wheels to direct air flow around them. That means there will tend to be a bigger variance between peak downforce created in turns, where it's needed most and where drag is relatively inconsequential, and downforce created along straights, where it's largely unneeded and induced drag is a penalty. That makes it more efficient.



However, the dependence on that complex interaction between the wing and the wheels also makes it difficult to get right. Ferrari has been working on it since 2012. But, I suspect there's a good reason why Red Bull, the undisputed Kings of Aero, have copied (and probably perfected) this concept.



As always, of course, I could be completely wrong, though.

[tok-tokkie]

Regarding the effective span of the front wing & consistent front downforce. This quote taken from the McLaren thread is germane:

Interesting about Mp4-29's behaviour in Turn 3. The Mclaren car has less understeer than even the Mercedes and Red Bull.
"Turn Three is understeer city, everyone is locking up here," reports Martin Brundle from trackside. "The best front-end here with less understeer is the McLaren, followed by the Mercedes. The worst is the Ferrari, it looks like they have terminal understeer."