FRIC Could Be Banned As Soon As Germany

[FW17]

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Support that fully.

Active suspension would probably cost less than what they are running these days. With the standard ECU the functions can be defined and monitored.

Complete Units could also be so sold by bigger teams to others.

[Thunder]

Active Suspension is on the Agenda for 2017.

And according to that Article : http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 65476.html

Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus and Williams said they would go with the FRICS for this year, the other Teams didn't or said they will drive without FRICS.
So i think we can rule out the "Ferrari and McLaren are behind this Farce". Most likely it is Caterham that would be Protesting.

[djos]

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Support that fully.

Active suspension would probably cost less than what they are running these days. With the standard ECU the functions can be defined and monitored.

Complete Units could also be so sold by bigger teams to others.

I thought I saw a recent quote from Williams that words to the effect that a fully active hydraulic suspension system (eg an evolved version of their '93 system) would be orders of magnitude cheaper than even a current standard F1 spring & damper system.

[iotar__]

Active Suspension is on the Agenda for 2017.
And according to that Article : http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 65476.html
Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus and Williams said they would go with the FRICS for this year, the other Teams didn't or said they will drive without FRICS.
So i think we can rule out the "Ferrari and McLaren are behinde this Farce".

1. No, the the way it worked has not changed: teams meet - FRIC is staying until 2017(?) - correspondence between teams and FIA - sort of ban mid-season and this whole mess starts. Mechanism of unanimous voting = fake blame of small teams was included in the whole set up, you can't pretend they don't know how it works. It's only an excuse against accusations of tempering with sporting side using tech-reg. They don't like publicity and obvious conclusions, they are shameless but prefer doing it quietly (Jean Todt).

2. RB and Merc said they are running without earlier before McL? It was conditional, they wanted clarifications and it was before they basically announced there will be no agreement to delay it and FIA will punish it only after team's protests, which is ridiculous. So yes it's different and means to me that McLaren is somehow included in this sabotage against some teams and mockery of cost-cutting. Whatever, I lost interest in this circus.
3. How is active suspension relevant to this? Only to muddy or dilute.

[djos]

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3. How is active suspension relevant to this? Only to muddy or dilute.

Simple, active suspension would be simpler and cheaper to implement and yet provide all the Aero benefits the teams are using FRICS to get now.

[DaveW]

I thought I saw a recent quote from Williams that words to the effect that a fully active hydraulic suspension system (eg an evolved version of their '93 system) would be orders of magnitude cheaper than even a current standard F1 spring & damper system.

I would guess that the Williams system would be based on this. If that is the case, then it would not be fully "active", or fully monitored ("springs" & dampers are passive). Also I doubt it would be less complex or "orders of magnitude" cheaper than current systems. However, it does appear to have the advantage that it could be controlled by the SECU.

[FW17]

I thought I saw a recent quote from Williams that words to the effect that a fully active hydraulic suspension system (eg an evolved version of their '93 system) would be orders of magnitude cheaper than even a current standard F1 spring & damper system.

I would guess that the Williams system would be based on this. If that is the case, then it would not be fully "active", or fully monitored ("springs" & dampers are passive). Also I doubt it would be less complex or "orders of magnitude" cheaper than current systems. However, it does appear to have the advantage that it could be controlled by the SECU.

It could be cheap, but in f1 they always find a way to make simple things incredibly expensive.

[SectorOne]

It would also further remove the driver in the equation. Might as well take him out, put a robot in it with the way F1 is going.

[djos]

It would also further remove the driver in the equation. Might as well take him out, put a robot in it with the way F1 is going.

That's a pretty wild exaggeration!

[Gaz.]

Past experience suggests that the way the FIA decide on the legality of a design is to devise a compliance test. The vertical stiffness test of the tea tray is one example.

It would be interesting to speculate on the (static) test the FIA might devise to check that suspensions are not interconnected. In case you think that is too easy, you might also want to speculate how a team might defeat the test (legitimately or otherwise).

Could they use pressure switches under the steering wheel grips, or a similar system to the heart rate monitors that you get on CV gym equipment?

[enry86]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114969

So it seems that the FRIC ban won't be delayed. I'm wondering if some of the teams will run the system anyway, trusting that the other teams won't issue a formal protest..
Or if this is just the end of it.

[dans79]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114969

So it seems that the FRIC ban won't be delayed. I'm wondering if some of the teams will run the system anyway, trusting that the other teams won't issue a formal protest..
Or if this is just the end of it.

I'm so sick of the little insignificant teams. I'd rather have 10 or 12 cars on the grid with real development going on, than the socialist nanny state we have right now.

[FW17]

I'm so sick of the little insignificant teams. I'd rather have 10 or 12 cars on the grid with real development going on, than the socialist nanny state we have right now.

Yeah, me too.

Preferred it when f1 was like this.

[flyboy2160]

Please don't post single line replies with just +1 or a smiley. Although this is common on other sites, it's discouraged here; meaningful discussion is encouraged. If everyone gave Stefan a +1 post for his photos, we'd have pages and pages of just +1 Stefan posts. If you think a post adds to the discussion, give it an upvote. What's needed here is a separate voting system for agreement to accommodate those who just want to agree.

[FrukostScones]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114969

So it seems that the FRIC ban won't be delayed. I'm wondering if some of the teams will run the system anyway, trusting that the other teams won't issue a formal protest..
Or if this is just the end of it.

I'm so sick of the little insignificant teams. I'd rather have 10 or 12 cars on the grid with real development going on, than the socialist nanny state we have right now.

socialist nanny state? wow!