2014 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring

[Regle]

Would Nico have let Lewis past in a similar situation ?

Not a cat's chance in hell.

Case closed.

Also, for the ones who're saying Nico would've won if Lewis let him through: He was going to get stuck behind Alonso anyway, who was only 1.5-2 seconds up the road.

You're closing a case that was never open. Of course Nico wouldn't have let him pass. Nobody's arguing that (or should be).

@ringo: Vettel's spin was embarassing, but Hamilton's doesn't get a mention?

[prince]

Would Nico have let Lewis past in a similar situation ?

Not a cat's chance in hell.

Case closed.

Also, for the ones who're saying Nico would've won if Lewis let him through: He was going to get stuck behind Alonso anyway, who was only 1.5-2 seconds up the road.

You're closing a case that was never open. Of course Nico wouldn't have let him pass. Nobody's arguing that (or should be).

@ringo: Vettel's spin was embarassing, but Hamilton's doesn't get a mention?

In which world did Hamilton got a spin? Are you referring to the first lap incident? If so, you need to get educated that when Lewis started the stared the race from pit lane, he had cold tyres and even colder brakes. Typically, when cars do the WARM UP lap they get heat into tyres and breaks. When you do not have either, then you are not race ready. That is what happened with Hamilton and when he breaked, his breaks were not performing. You cannot call that as an embarrassing situation.

[RZS10]

Would Nico have let Lewis past in a similar situation ?

Not a cat's chance in hell.

Case closed.

Also, for the ones who're saying Nico would've won if Lewis let him through: He was going to get stuck behind Alonso anyway, who was only 1.5-2 seconds up the road.

You're closing a case that was never open. Of course Nico wouldn't have let him pass. Nobody's arguing that (or should be).

@ringo: Vettel's spin was embarassing, but Hamilton's doesn't get a mention?

In which world did Hamilton got a spin? Are you referring to the first lap incident? If so, you need to get educated that when Lewis started the stared the race from pit lane, he had cold tyres and even colder brakes. Typically, when cars do the WARM UP lap they get heat into tyres and breaks. When you do not have either, then you are not race ready. That is what happened with Hamilton and when he breaked, his breaks were not performing. You cannot call that as an embarrassing situation.

Well he should know that he has to be very careful with the cold brakes and tyres.

Both were rookie-like stupid and needless mistakes.

But losing even more time made Hamiltons drive after that even more impressive.

[Arterius]

Most of you are saying that it was okay for a driver to ignore a team order. That doesn't sound right at all. Does it? (Vettel Malaysia. Same race where Rosberg held station behind Hamilton through team orders even though he was faster)

Hamilton was only maintaining a gap of about 2 seconds to Alonso. He wasn't even trying to overtake as he had to make the tires last till the end of the race. Rosberg was on a more aggressive strategy and could push harder. He might have been able to get past Alonso. At the very least he would have put more pressure on Alonso. This would have forced Alonso to use his tires harder and would have given Hamilton a better chance to get by. In my opinion the selfish decision from Hamilton cost Mercedes a double podium with Hamilton on P2 and Rosberg P3.

[Shrieker]

I think Hamilton threw the win away when he spun coming into the second corner at the beginning of the race. Someone needs to look up how much time he lost there, and where he would've ended up after the first safety car period without the spin. That said, he was extremely lucky for once, could've easily retired on the spot.

That is what happened with Hamilton and when he breaked, his breaks were not performing. You cannot call that as an embarrassing situation.

Unfortunately that is not how i see it. He's not an idiot, he knew full well his brakes and tires were cold but misjudged it badly.

[Traction]

Would Nico have let Lewis past in a similar situation ?

Not a cat's chance in hell.

Case closed.

Also, for the ones who're saying Nico would've won if Lewis let him through: He was going to get stuck behind Alonso anyway, who was only 1.5-2 seconds up the road.

You're closing a case that was never open. Of course Nico wouldn't have let him pass. Nobody's arguing that (or should be).

@ringo: Vettel's spin was embarassing, but Hamilton's doesn't get a mention?

In which world did Hamilton got a spin? Are you referring to the first lap incident? If so, you need to get educated that when Lewis started the stared the race from pit lane, he had cold tyres and even colder brakes. Typically, when cars do the WARM UP lap they get heat into tyres and breaks. When you do not have either, then you are not race ready. That is what happened with Hamilton and when he breaked, his breaks were not performing. You cannot call that as an embarrassing situation.

Didn't happen with Magnussen

[RZS10]

Most of you are saying that it was okay for a driver to ignore a team order. That doesn't sound right at all. Does it? (Vettel Malaysia. Same race where Rosberg held station behind Hamilton through team orders even though he was faster)

Those were different circumstances...
ignoring team orders where you are told to give up your position to your teammate that is not able to pass you without you letting him through and where you as the driver have the feeling they might be trying to screw you (and they were, even if unintentionally) and keeping yourself in the WDC by not losing the race position you got by really good driving knowing the team is leading (and surely winning) the WCC easily

AND

ignoring team orders that were set before the race and 'stealing' a position and the race victory from your teammate who is following those orders and whom you'd be unable to pass under normal circumstances

are two REALLY different things, don't you think?

Drastic comparison: you would not argue that killing someone in self-defense and doing it so you can steal someones purse are the same, would you?

[vin1658]

@Traction
Lewis must be pushing hard compared to mag considering mag is not fighting with his wdc leading teammate.

[dans79]

Didn't happen with Magnussen

Vettel, and Nico both had issues as well.

[Regle]

@Traction
Lewis must be pushing hard vompared to mag considering
Mag is not fighting for wdc and his teammate is not leading wdc.

It's hard to push while you're spinning.

[Montyinct]

Maybe because his team warned him that the brakes would be cold? But I have to admit it was obvious, so Hamilton should ave thought about it, but great race overall!

[RZS10]

"Das ist keine einfache Geschichte. Man muss das Für und Wider gegeneinander abwägen und schauen, was am Ende möglich gewesen wäre. Dann werden wir unsere Konsequenzen ziehen [...] Zu dem Zeitpunkt war Nico ein deutliches Stück schneller und hätte Alonso vielleicht einholen können. Dadurch hätte er dann wiederum Lewis helfen können. Aber das sieht natürlich der Lewis nicht."

Toto Wolff:
"This is a complicated situation. We have to weigh up the pros and cons and see, what we could have reached. Then we'll take appropriate actions. [...] "
- So they will analyse if a better race result would have been possible (yes) and take actions, does not look good for Lewis.

"At that stage Nice was clearly faster and might have caught Alonso, by that he might have helped Lewis, but Lewis does not see that of course"
- What? How could letting him through and Rosberg MAYBE attacking Alonso have helped Lewis?

"Wir werden uns mit Lewis zusammensetzen und diskutieren, wie die Situation ist [...] Emotional bin ich bei ihm, weil das natürlich ein extrem frustrierender Funkspruch ist, bei all dem Pech, das er hatte. Auf der anderen Seite gibt es Regeln, die wir im Team etabliert haben. Kann man die selbst außer Kraft setzen? Das ist eine andere Frage."

"We'll sit down with Lewis and discuss the situation [...] emotionally i'm with him [yo!] because it was an extremely frustrating radio message, considering all the bad luck he had. On the other hand we have rules, that we've established in the team. Can you invalidate those on your own? That is a different question"

- And again, not looking good for Lewis...

They should be the ones apologizing to him, not the other way round, but we'll probably read some tweet or whatever with Lewis claiming how sorry he is for ignoring proposterous team orders

btw: Wolff still expected Rosberg to overtake Hamilton at the end and called his defense in turn2 "too hard" ... so they want him to let Rosberg through, he does not, they pit Rosberg really late, long after where many believed the point of no return would be and still think he'll get past him? And then go on about how letting Ros through would have helped his race? =D> Toto Wolff is worse than Horner

[Arterius]

are two REALLY different things, don't you think?

Yes they are different situations and circumstances but a team order is a team order and must be obeyed at all times. As a driver you do not get to choose which order to follow and which to ignore from your boss. They have a better overview of the situation and what is best overall.

[ringo]

Rosrbeg didnt have the pace. Plain as day. never even came close with drs. It's a non issue in my book.
It would be clear favouritism if they really expect hamilton to put the car in revers to put rosberg ahead of him.

[f1-neil]

That makes depressing reading from Toto, I'm not sure exactly what is going on there, but he needs to show the equality he keeps going on about.


How restricted is Lewis car in terms of Engine, he used fridays today, will he swap to a new one next race?