Tony Stewart involved in fatal sprint car incident

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I think this also brings up something people forget, sprint car racing is still extremely dangerous, and isn't forgiving to stupid mistakes in general.

You have cars making 1,000HP or more, in a very low grip environment due to the dirt track. While it seems rudimentary and backwoodsy to some, it's a tough environment to drive in from what I've heard over the years, as it requires doing a lot of things that are the complete opposite of what you would do in normal track racing.
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I should also correct myself, in an earlier post I mentioned the engine being gunned. That made no sense attributing that to Tony Stewart, as he was on the far side of the track, and you wouldn't have heard it as clearly as it sounded in the video.
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I found that really shocking the way he marched down the track, I've never seen anything like that. I wonder how many times he had confronted someone on track like that before and got away with it. How many times he had seen others do it. I'm not a stock car or NASCAR fan so I wouldn't know, but I think it's an important question.

If it is common place as some have suggested then you really have to assign a significant portion of the blame and stupidity to the regulators for allowing it to become 'normal' behaviour.

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It looked to me that Ward stepped into Stewart.
Very sad .. very very sad , heartbreaking, and should not have happened.
He should have remained with his car, but unlike some I'm not about to call him an idiot.
It's exactly why in a recent incident (Sutil?) I thought the FIA had a rule about exiting a car stopped on track.
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sad as it is ,a competitor has no right to be on the racing line without sttapped into his car.period.Sometimes things get out of control especially after controversial accidents.Race control needs to red flag when a driver is showing such behaviour .Maybe even that would not have saved the kid.
I´m not sure but drivers like stewart do they have radios in sprint car racing?

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strad wrote:It looked to me that Ward stepped into Stewart.
Very sad .. very very sad , heartbreaking, and should not have happened.
He should have remained with his car, but unlike some I'm not about to call him an idiot.
It's exactly why in a recent incident (Sutil?) I thought the FIA had a rule about exiting a car stopped on track.
Strad, unfortunately he was an idiot to start venturing down into the race line on foot, even under caution.
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marcush. wrote:sad as it is ,a competitor has no right to be on the racing line without sttapped into his car.period.Sometimes things get out of control especially after controversial accidents.Race control needs to red flag when a driver is showing such behaviour .Maybe even that would not have saved the kid.
I´m not sure but drivers like stewart do they have radios in sprint car racing?
Without necessarily forming a formal organization, the various racing organizations need to adopt a few fundamental rules that apply across the board in regards to the safety of ones self and other drivers. Running onto the racing surface, throwing helmets at race cars, intentionally causing crashes: these things should be career ending infractions across the board. The kids from the earliest levels need to understand that if they want to make it to NASCAR or F1 then such behavior is never acceptable. Unfortunately, they see their hero's (including Stewart) do this stuff on TV, and they learn that there is some tolerance for such behavior.

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Absolutely agree Moxie that is the problem with Nascar as a whole. They haven't changed it because that's what the fans want to see. Could you imagine if this happened in F1

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GitanesBlondes wrote:Saw this post over on Reddit as it pertains to sprint cars...
For those not in the know, nearly all cars have what is known as a differential - a clump of gears that lets one wheel spin faster than the other, while still applying power to both. This is important because when the vehicle is turning a corner, the outside wheel follows a longer path than the inside wheel - if the wheels were forced to turn at the same speed, one would have to drag and/or skip across the pavement to make up the difference. Tires are designed specifically not to drag, skip and such (lose traction), so this would put a lot of wear on the tires, strain the mechanical bits of the car, and generally make turning more difficult... Keep turning difficulty in mind.
Further to your point...
"Sprint Cars have a once-piece rear axle connecting the left and right wheels and do not have differentials, therefore if the rear tires were the same size, the driver would probably end up in the fence! The amount of stagger used varies from around 11-20 inches (27.94-50.8 cm), depending on track conditions. On a tacky or hooky track more stagger is required, on a dry or slick track less stagger is needed. Other considerations for the amount of stagger is the size of the track, a small track will require more stagger than a large track. The banking of a track is also another factor that should be considered, high banked tracks will require more stagger than flat tracks." http://www.world-sprintcar-guide.com/sp ... tires.html

I would imagine it is difficult to control these cars while running at caution speeds. The stagger is trying to shove the car to the left. The entire car is designed to maximize drive off of the right rear.

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marcush. wrote:sad as it is ,a competitor has no right to be on the racing line without sttapped into his car.period.Sometimes things get out of control especially after controversial accidents.Race control needs to red flag when a driver is showing such behaviour .Maybe even that would not have saved the kid.
I´m not sure but drivers like stewart do they have radios in sprint car racing?
They do not have radios They do run or short tracks .5 mile or less and they do have lights all the way around. Sadly someone leaving their car is not a rare occurrence. I have met Tony IRL I dont see him hitting the kid on purpose. I am not sure he even saw the guy before it was too late. Keep in mind the car was behind Tony he probably didn't even know he crashed let alone who it was all he knew it was a yellow flag. He came around at caution speed when out of the darkness someone in a black suit ran into is path. Sad day all around. I grew up on dirt track racing. I have seen people killed in accidents this is one didn't need to happen. My thoughts go out to the family and to Tony this must weigh heavy on his mind.

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If the kid stayed in his car and didn't try to be a tough guy he would be alive. Others that want Stewart to hang for his 'crime' clearly have a previous grievance with him.

A terrible accident is all I see.

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Vettel Maggot wrote:If the kid stayed in his car and didn't try to be a tough guy he would be alive. Others that want Stewart to hang for his 'crime' clearly have a previous grievance with him.
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This looks so ridiculous, hhaha! :lol:

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Casting the first stone.

I think only Tony Stewart will know if he truly could've done more to avoid Ward. Yes, his past is littered with a litany of unsavoury events, and maybe some of us here are more sceptical than we should be.

But I think we all agree that Ward Jr is culpable in the whole. Had there been a modicum of restraint, he'd be biting down into some corn dogs right about now.
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