2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

For ease of use, there is one thread per grand prix where you can discuss everything during that specific GP weekend. You can find these threads here.
GrizzleBoy
GrizzleBoy
33
Joined: 05 Mar 2012, 04:06

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

Sky sports posted an article today.

Funnily about brakes.

Funnily enough about Mercedes finding out what caused Lewis' brakes to fail and shunt him into a wall in Q3 in Germany.

Funnily enough it was a problem with 'interaction' between the brake material and the brake mounting.

Funnily enough it was the same front right that died and threw him into a wall in hockenheim q3 that yesterday, refused to work properly and resulted in the car pulling to the side in every heavy braking zone during q3.
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/2418 ... heim-crash
Mercedes and Brembo have revealed that the “specific interaction between the brake material and braking mounting on the F1 W05” caused Lewis Hamilton’s qualifying crash in Germany.

The Briton made an early exit from the session at Hockenheim when a right-front brake disc failure on his car pitched him into a heavy shunt with the barriers.

The statement released ahead of the Belgian Grand Prix added that “the quality of the material was not a contributory factor”.

Mercedes and Brembo statement in full:




.
..
Mercedes' Lewis Hamilton crashes out of qualifying in Germany, leading to the session being red flagged, ending his chances of pole position. Hamilton cras
.
‘Following extensive joint analysis of the previously unseen failure mode experienced by Lewis Hamilton during Q1 at the German Grand Prix, Brembo and MERCEDES AMG PETRONAS have reached definitive conclusions concerning the cause of the failure.

‘First of all, both parties can now confirm that the quality of the disc material was not a contributory factor.

‘Instead, extensive analysis and experimentation has demonstrated that the specific interaction between the structure of the brake material in question and the brake mounting on the F1 W05 Hybrid was at the root of the failure.

‘Countermeasures have already been applied to both the disc geometry and the mounting to ensure there can be no repeat of the failure
.

‘These developments allow the team to once again run Brembo brake disc material, should it choose to do so, in race conditions.

'Thanks to the close technical relationship between Brembo and MERCEDES AMG PETRONAS, we have been able to collaborate to objectively analyse, diagnose and resolve the failure, and we remain committed to a close working relationship in the future.’
Hmm.

I'l believe the brake issues are fixed, when I see that the brake issues are fixed, because they've still been a problem almost every race in some way.

User avatar
iotar__
7
Joined: 28 Sep 2012, 12:31

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

OK brakes were not 100% but what about this button in Brazil ;-). Stop using brakes destroying balance then or if it's a trade-off (different type of brakes) - don't complain. Maybe Rosberg is compromising performance for reliability? At least different brakes is one area your team-mate shouldn't be able to use your data. BTW Hamilton's brakes are bound to fail and people complain about tarmac run-offs, they really must hate him.

Jano11
Jano11
0
Joined: 17 Mar 2014, 10:50

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

SectorOne wrote:
Jano11 wrote:You're posting your subjective views as facts. That doesn't fly.
You have no proof that Rosberg wouldn't have got those pole positions anyway, just like he did yesterday.
That they are gifts are pure facts. When one car is not able to challenge the other one, that´s a gift to the other guy.
It´s as simple as that. Doesn´t even matter about who would have taken pole, it´s about the fact that if one car is on fire and the other is not, it´s a gift to the other guy.

Jano11 wrote:In fact you are basing your opinion on Hamilton's excuses,
Actually i´m not, i specifically stated that some were his own mistake.

Brakes failing and engine fires are not excuses, nor is glazing brakes confirmed by the team (and Massa having the same issue)
The car was on fire only once, the other cases were no gifts.
As for brakes failing, funny only Hamilton is having these, nothing for Rosberg.
Last edited by Jano11 on 24 Aug 2014, 11:39, edited 1 time in total.

basti313
basti313
28
Joined: 22 Feb 2014, 14:49

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

SectorOne wrote:
Jano11 wrote:You're posting your subjective views as facts. That doesn't fly.
You have no proof that Rosberg wouldn't have got those pole positions anyway, just like he did yesterday.
That they are gifts are pure facts. When one car is not able to challenge the other one, that´s a gift to the other guy.
It´s as simple as that. Doesn´t even matter about who would have taken pole, it´s about the fact that if one car is on fire and the other is not, it´s a gift to the other guy.
Isn't this one-sided counting "gifts" a bit boring? :?:
If you would count a full list with similar conditions I would understand it, but the way you are doing it reminds me about the useless Vettel/Webber fanboy discussions...
Especially as there are "gifts" all around...with a car that is 2sec faster than the rest of the field it is rather useless to discuss "gifts". The whole season is a "gift" for Ham and Ros. Even with messing up the Q completely they usually go for a 1/2.
SectorOne wrote:
Jano11 wrote:In fact you are basing your opinion on Hamilton's excuses,
Actually i´m not, i specifically stated that some were his own mistake.

Brakes failing and engine fires are not excuses, nor is glazing brakes confirmed by the team (and Massa having the same issue)
Glazing brakes due to too low temperatures not a driver`s fault? Well, others like Bottas, Rosberg or Perez managed to keep their brakes on temperature.
I would rather say there was something wrong in Ham's preparation. In his first attempt in Q3 he messed up turn 1 and did a slow lap. Glazed brakes on this lap? Before his last lap in Q3 he did an incredible slow out lap. Brakes on temperature?
Don`t russel the hamster!

Jano11
Jano11
0
Joined: 17 Mar 2014, 10:50

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

Exactly.
One has to at least consider that it can not always be something or someone else at fault when some stuff happens.

User avatar
Juzh
161
Joined: 06 Oct 2012, 08:45

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

Spacepace wrote:
Kingshark wrote:Rosberg has now out-qualified Hamilton 6-4, and by an average margin of 0.201 secs this season (excluding Germany and Hungary).

IMO Rosberg is the fastest guy on the grid over one lap. He's not that great over a race distance; but in qualifying he is phenomenal.
He is indeed very fast. I remember brazil 2011 his Q3 lap was a lot faster then it should've been. He nailed the middle sector
You mean Q2?

User avatar
Tim.Wright
330
Joined: 13 Feb 2009, 06:29

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

Guys,

Sorry to interrupt this HAM ROS circle jerk, but I require some info urgently.

Does anyone know where its possible to watch the Spa race in Turin?

Am stuck in a hotel without Sky... damn Ecclestone, che barstardo...

Cheers
Not the engineer at Force India

matt_b
matt_b
2
Joined: 11 Jul 2012, 12:03

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

AnthonyG wrote:40% chance of rain at 14.00pm, nothing more from then on, so dry race comming for sure.
Only 8° atm by the way.
This is Spa, the rain clouds appear instantly

oT v1
oT v1
0
Joined: 21 May 2012, 15:46

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

Tim.Wright wrote:Guys,

Sorry to interrupt this HAM ROS circle jerk, but I require some info urgently.

Does anyone know where its possible to watch the Spa race in Turin?

Am stuck in a hotel without Sky... damn Ecclestone, che barstardo...

Cheers
if nothing comes up i can give you a few links (if you have the interweb)
The Power of Dreams

User avatar
SilverArrow10
2
Joined: 10 Mar 2013, 20:46

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

Watching old race highlights, Hamilton has a good chance into les Combes. Rosberg did Vettel at the start of the 2011 race as did Vettel against Hamilton last year. Should be juicy.
"Leave it to Lewis Hamilton to ruin Redbull's day" - Martin Brundle

"Ok Lewis, Its Hammertime!!" - Peter Bonnington

"Fresh tires, 15 laps. What do you think Lewis Hamilton is going to do?" - Martin Brundle

Phillyred
Phillyred
3
Joined: 08 Apr 2010, 18:46

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

I woke up this morning fully expecting HAM to have received some grid penalty for a gearbox/brake material change etc!! HA. Fortunately, that isn't the case.

User avatar
Steven
Owner
Joined: 19 Aug 2002, 18:32
Location: Belgium

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

Please join our live racing hub to follow and discuss the race
http://www.f1technical.net/live/

Theanswer
Theanswer
0
Joined: 24 Aug 2014, 13:58

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

Tim.Wright wrote:Guys,

Sorry to interrupt this HAM ROS circle jerk, but I require some info urgently.

Does anyone know where its possible to watch the Spa race in Turin?

Am stuck in a hotel without Sky... damn Ecclestone, che barstardo...

Cheers
Come to my house!
Or just go to the Museo dell'Auto

Phillyred
Phillyred
3
Joined: 08 Apr 2010, 18:46

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

I cannot believe it....... HAM :(

User avatar
ecapox
8
Joined: 14 May 2010, 21:06

Re: 2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

Post

And now this thread will be derailed. Ugh.