2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

[ringo]

I think rosberg was also using over revs and full power after lewis passed him. you could clearly see that he had a power advantage.

[NTS]

Not a Mercedes fan of either side, but I think the pictures of the point ROS hit HAM are a bit misleading. Take a look at where he was going into that corner:



The rules have a definition about being alongside, which is:

For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a 'significant portion'.

So I think both could have avoided this accident. ROS by braking when he realized HAM wasn't going to let him stay there, and HAM by not closing the door this hard on a car that is alongside him at a higher speed.

But I really don't mind if they keep doing this. Would make the last races of the championship much more exciting to watch if Ricciardo manages to close the points-gap.

[Edax]

So how many recent examples have we got of people getting penalties for giving someone a puncture ?

Will Magnussen vs Raikkonen in Malaysia do?

[SectorOne]

the thing is he´s backing out of it after that. He´s losing ground all the way into the corner, gets an oversteer moment then turns right into Hamilton´s rear tire.
If someone posts up the gifs you´ll see.

The rule isn´t some deposit you can put in and then sometimes later take back.

[dans79]

Man, I just watched the YouTube interviews.

Lewis is unhappy but calm and saying all the right things to ingratiate himself.

Laura is visibly annoyed, verging on pissed off.

Wolff is ragingly pissed off. You can see in the interview where he actually catches himself and tries to calm himself down so he doesn't say something he will regret.

[cirrusflyer]

Red bull actually holding back merc and williams on the straights. That's something to behold.

Yes! And with all that lack of power...

[prince]

Not a Mercedes fan of either side, but I think the pictures of the point ROS hit HAM are a bit misleading. Take a look at where he was going into that corner:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/nwmzcp.jpg

The rules have a definition about being alongside, which is:

For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a 'significant portion'.

So I think both could have avoided this accident. ROS by braking when he realized HAM wasn't going to let him stay there, and HAM by not closing the door this hard on a car that is alongside him at a higher speed.

But I really don't mind if they keep doing this. Would make the last races of the championship much more exciting to watch if Ricciardo manages to close the points-gap.

Please watch Anthony Davidson doing a review of the incident and he clearly showed that Lewis was right on the racing line and to get to overtake through a corner, the chasing car has to be alongside and not keeping the tip of front wing to the rear wheel.

[Jano11]

I just wonder if there will be any consequences for Rosberg for robbing the team of a possible 1-2

That's the silliest thing I've read here, and that takes some doing.

Why? The team already said they won't accept anything from the drivers that hurts the team (or gives worse results) ... so it is not really silly...
Without the contact they would have had a 1/2 can't say who would have won though

"Unacceptable [...] Overtaking on the second lap of a very Long race [...] overtaking with the knife between your teeth" - Wolff

"Unacceptable, he [Lewis] does not have eyes in the back of his head, he [Rosberg] already lost that corner, he has no right to stick his wing in there [...] this is ridiculous" - Lauda

This is what you get when you have idiots running a team.
Ross must be laughing his socks off!

[Jano11]

on ROS-HAM accident I thnk it qas 100% ROS fault. Sould have gotten a drive-tru at least. Then there was MAG and ALO and I think MAG did not leave enough space

The stewards thought different, and I bet they know better.

[iotar__]

What a hell is Wolff saying? I'm perplexed - so what now, Merc doesn't want them to race and overtake after all? Well, well, well you should have used team orders then. I forgot, you can't do that after anything goes, let them race Hungary. So Rosberg did his own race.

If you can't stop Hamilton's disobeying team orders in Hungary because he was fighting for WDC, you can't stop Rosberg from attacking as soon as he can, end of story. Incidents can happen, it's rather normal and only Rosberg's good will prevented one in Bahrain. Another change of policy to prove you have no policy and are making up as you go along?

Edit: As far as he's concerned Rosberg is a racer and he's there to race not to listen Wolff telling him when to attack and how (attach some dumb Senna quote about gaps for better effect).

[Jano11]

Lauda also saying it was unacceptable from Nico.

Lauda is well known for loving to create controversy, nothing new.

[ChrisM40]

Nico was only significantly alongside on the outside of the preceding corner and losing ground, the 'significant portion' rule doesn't apply there.

Just look at Nicos face in the interviews, he knows the score, he knows he was at fault. He looks positively frightened about the coming debrief.

[Steven]

I'd say it's a racing incident, but with the overtaking car not entirely alongside, the first has the right to take the racing line.
Possibly it's a misjudgement from Rosberg, resulting in him driving into Hamilton instead of moving out of the way properly, but I'm pretty confident he did not intend to run into his team mate, putting his own race result at stake as well.

[NTS]

Please watch Anthony Davidson doing a review of the incident and he clearly showed that Lewis was right on the racing line and to get to overtake through a corner, the chasing car has to be alongside and not keeping the tip of front wing to the rear wheel.

Thanks, Youtube link somewhere? And the picture clearly shows that he was alongside (check the rules, wing was way past the rear wheels). That's why I posted it, other shots show it as "keeping the tip of front wing to the rear wheel" which isn't the whole truth.

[Jano11]

http://i.imgur.com/s7HqLj5.jpg

Pretty Damning photo for Nico.

Really? Do you happen to see that he needs to turn right in order to get around the next corner?
As said before he was alongside Hamilton who just cut over the front wing of his team mate. Racing incident is what this used to be called before keyboard warriors took over discussion boards on the internet.