2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

[SectorOne]

Why is that you can not have a race with the rules as they are?

You are not reading the rule properly. That´s the whole issue here really.

Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason.

Thanks for proving my point. A significant part of Rosberg's car was alongside Hamilton (unless you consider a front wing insignificant), based on the letter of the rules.

Are you dense? Serious question.

Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area

He complied to the fullest. It does not say you have to leave space in the corner. The rule is about on the straight and before/during braking.

The rule is there so that one driver on the straight, before/during the braking do not get crowded out.
That´s why Magnussen got a penalty and Hamilton did not.

It does not apply in corners.

[Jano11]

Yeah, So Nico drove into Lewis

Yeah, because he wanted to destroy his own car's front wing. Makes sense.

[ChrisM40]

Why is that you can not have a race with the rules as they are?
We have been told for ages now that one has to leave enough room for any car that is alongside, alongside being defined as:

For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a 'significant portion'.

As long as one doesn't trip over the car alongside they can race as much as they want, given that the track is wider then needed by two cars, they just need to think while racing.

You interpretation of the rules would mean that no driver would ever have to actually pass another, all they would have to do is get their nose past the rear wheels. Clearly thats silly and would make racing impossible.

It's been like this for several years now and racing was possible, and with a few exceptions all drivers managed to race fine while respecting each other and leaving enough space. There's been a few drivers repeatedly involved in close racing incidents, won't list them cause we all know them already.

Actually it hasnt been like this for years because NO ONE interprets the rule the way you are. Quite simply you are wrong about this. Even German TV arent on your side!

You would have a point if Nico was alongside on the inside at the left hander, but he wasnt, he was on the outside at the right hander and the move was long dead by the mid point between the 2 corners.

[NathanOlder]

Yeah, So Nico drove into Lewis

Yeah, because he wanted to destroy his own car's front wing. Makes sense.

Obviously. as you have just clearly agreed to my statement. I knew you'd come round. thankyou. Glad this is over

[Jano11]

Thanks for proving my point. A significant part of Rosberg's car was alongside Hamilton (unless you consider a front wing insignificant), based on the letter of the rules.

Are you dense? Serious question.

Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area

He complied to the fullest. It does not say you have to leave space in the corner. The rule is about on the straight and before/during braking.

My bad.

Anyway you are trying to prove that Hamilton was allowed to disregard Rosberg's FW was alongside his wheel, and then you complain that his actions resulted into him having a tire failure. Really can't have it both ways.

[mikeerfol]

20 seconds penalty for Magnussen. Fair.

Source? Thanks

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/08/24/m ... h-penalty/

Also
https://twitter.com/willbuxton/status/5 ... 8166494208 https://twitter.com/willbuxton/status/5 ... 1858562048

[SilverArrow10]

Thanks for proving my point. A significant part of Rosberg's car was alongside Hamilton (unless you consider a front wing insignificant), based on the letter of the rules.

Are you dense? Serious question.

Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area

He complied to the fullest. It does not say you have to leave space in the corner. The rule is about on the straight and before/during braking.

My bad.

Anyway you are trying to prove that Hamilton was allowed to disregard Rosberg's FW was alongside his wheel, and then you complain that his actions resulted into him having a tire failure. Really can't have it both ways.

Its not the driver in front responsibility to jump out of the way. If he has the corner which Hamilton did he can take the racing line, it is then up to the driver behind to get out of the way, which he didn't.

[Jano11]

It's been like this for several years now and racing was possible, and with a few exceptions all drivers managed to race fine while respecting each other and leaving enough space. There's been a few drivers repeatedly involved in close racing incidents, won't list them cause we all know them already.

Actually it hasnt been like this for years because NO ONE interprets the rule the way you are. Quite simply you are wrong about this. Even German TV arent on your side!

You would have a point if Nico was alongside on the inside at the left hander, but he wasnt, he was on the outside at the right hander and the move was long dead by the mid point between the 2 corners.[/quote]

What has German TV to do with this?

The fact that the overtake didn't succeed does not change the situation, Rosberg's car was there and could not disappear in thin air and driving over it's front wing had consequences for both of them. Yet people ca not see it as a racing incident, they just want someone to blame, for whatever reason.

[ChrisM40]

Thanks for proving my point. A significant part of Rosberg's car was alongside Hamilton (unless you consider a front wing insignificant), based on the letter of the rules.

Are you dense? Serious question.

Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area

He complied to the fullest. It does not say you have to leave space in the corner. The rule is about on the straight and before/during braking.

My bad.

Anyway you are trying to prove that Hamilton was allowed to disregard Rosberg's FW was alongside his wheel, and then you complain that his actions resulted into him having a tire failure. Really can't have it both ways.

Actually it wasnt lewis' actions that caused it. 9 times out of 10 the driver failing to make the move slots in behind the leading driver, however Nico got it wrong this time and clipped lewis' tyre.

[ChrisM40]

What has German TV to do with this?

The fact that the overtake didn't succeed does not change the situation, Rosberg's car was there and could not disappear in thin air and driving over it's front wing had consequences for both of them. Yet people ca not see it as a racing incident, they just want someone to blame, for whatever reason.

What does it have to do with it? It proves that even those with a pro nico bias agree it wasnt lewis' fault.

Nico had the room to get out of the way, F1 cars are not rear wheel steer, lewis couldnt have gotten out of the way of nicos car when nicos car was in a place it shouldnt have been.

[Jano11]

Its not the driver in front responsibility to jump out of the way. If he has the corner which Hamilton did he can take the racing line, it is then up to the driver behind to get out of the way, which he didn't.

Rosberg forgot his crystal ball so he failed to see in advance what Hamilton was going to do in the next 0.1 seconds. Let's hang him for that.

[SectorOne]

My bad.

Hallelujah, finally we are getting somewhere here.

Anyway you are trying to prove that Hamilton was allowed to disregard Rosberg's FW was alongside his wheel, and then you complain that his actions resulted into him having a tire failure. Really can't have it both ways.

Yes Hamilton can disregard Rosberg alltogether. It is Rosberg´s job to make sure he do not collide with Hamilton because he´s going for a piece of space that do not exist.

He has no right to claim an ounce in that corner, he should have backed off.

What happens was Rosberg is alongside at first, then starts to lose ground, gets an oversteer moment, saves it, turns in, turns out, then turns in again and hits Hamilton´s rear tire.

Rosberg to me looks like he´s giving up but he misjudges the distance with his front wing and rear tire and destroyed a very nice 1-2 for the team.

If he was faster he would have gotten past, one more lap and DRS was active. If he would not have gotten past the team still would have banked full points.

[ChrisM40]

Its not the driver in front responsibility to jump out of the way. If he has the corner which Hamilton did he can take the racing line, it is then up to the driver behind to get out of the way, which he didn't.

Rosberg forgot his crystal ball so he failed to see in advance what Hamilton was going to do in the next 0.1 seconds. Let's hang him for that.

Oh come on, any professional driver knew where that was going, even i could see it. Why is this even a debate? The facts are clear to just about everyone else but you.

[zeph]

Hamilton's fans have a reputation, but Rosberg's supporters are not to be outdone, apparently.

Anybody can see what happened, it was Rosberg's mistake. If even Wolff and Lauda are unambiguous about it, ROS' fans must be either blinded by love and devotion or on some serious drugs.

[SilverArrow10]

Its not the driver in front responsibility to jump out of the way. If he has the corner which Hamilton did he can take the racing line, it is then up to the driver behind to get out of the way, which he didn't.

Rosberg forgot his crystal ball so he failed to see in advance what Hamilton was going to do in the next 0.1 seconds. Let's hang him for that.

He didn't need a crystal ball to see what Hamilton was going to do, he was going to turn left, it is a left corner after all.