2014 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

[ChrisM40]

My bad.

Hallelujah, finally we are getting somewhere here.

Don't get too excited, I will own up to my mistakes. That's it.

Anyway you are trying to prove that Hamilton was allowed to disregard Rosberg's FW was alongside his wheel, and then you complain that his actions resulted into him having a tire failure. Really can't have it both ways.

Yes Hamilton can disregard Rosberg alltogether.

Now you are going too far. Not that Hamilton didn't do just that, he did.

Anyway, the issue here is that both have their share of blame in this incident, and both could have avoided it, that's why no one got a penalty and why this is called racing incident.

How could Lewis have avoided it? He was on the racing line, and Nicos 'move', if you can even call it that, was dead. Lewis expected, rightly, that Nico would slot in behind, rather than hit him.

[Jano11]

Its not the driver in front responsibility to jump out of the way. If he has the corner which Hamilton did he can take the racing line, it is then up to the driver behind to get out of the way, which he didn't.

Rosberg forgot his crystal ball so he failed to see in advance what Hamilton was going to do in the next 0.1 seconds. Let's hang him for that.

Oh come on, any professional driver knew where that was going, even i could see it. Why is this even a debate? The facts are clear to just about everyone else but you.

I guess one of them did not see it, or none of them did.
Or maybe both wanted to make a point and it turned out bad, for both, with Hamilton pulling the shorter straw again.
It was a racing incident that had consequences for both, nothing less and nothing more. Certainly no reason to call for anyone's head.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/08/24/m ... h-penalty/

Also

https://twitter.com/willbuxton/status/5 ... 8166494208

https://twitter.com/willbuxton/status/5 ... 1858562048

Holly hell, if that's true I could see the team actually making nico sit out a race.

Wet dreams.

Go and see a good doctor.

[ScottB]

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/207980/1/h ... ately.html

Lewis Hamilton says Nico Rosberg has admitted he hit him deliberately during the Belgian Grand Prix “to prove a point”.

Rosberg clipped Hamilton's right rear wheel on the second lap of the race at Spa, causing a puncture which demoted Hamilton from the lead of the race to the back of the field. Having eventually retired while Rosberg finished second, Hamilton said Rosberg revealed in a meeting after the race that he had deliberately allowed the contact to happen.

“It looked quite clear to me but we just had a meeting about it and he basically said he did it on purpose,” Hamilton said. “He said he did it on purpose, he said he could have avoided it. He said 'I did it to prove a point', he basically said 'I did it to prove a point'. And you don't have to just rely on me, go and ask Toto, Paddy and all those guys who are not happy with him as well.”

More to follow.

[Jano11]

https://twitter.com/willbuxton/status/5 ... 8166494208

https://twitter.com/willbuxton/status/5 ... 1858562048

What!? Is this for reals?

It's on Twitter, must be real!

[SectorOne]

Now you are going too far. Not that Hamilton didn't do just that, he did.

No i´m not. And he did disregard Rosberg as he should. Again, it´s on Rosberg to back off.

[ChrisM40]

I guess one of them did not see it, or none of them did.
Or maybe both wanted to make a point and it turned out bad, for both, with Hamilton pulling the shorter straw again.
It was a racing incident that had consequences for both, nothing less and nothing more. Certainly no reason to call for anyone's head.

Im not calling for anyones head (unless the Will Buxton Tweet is true), im simply saying Nico got it wrong, Lewis did nothing wrong. That is literally all.

[prince]

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/207980/1/h ... ately.html

A Report of Lewis saying, Nico did it on purpose.

[Jano11]

How could Lewis have avoided it? He was on the racing line, and Nicos 'move', if you can even call it that, was dead. Lewis expected, rightly, that Nico would slot in behind, rather than hit him.

By making sure that he stays away from that front wing of Rosberg's car?
It takes two to tango, none of them was/is an angel in this case.

[Jonnycraig]

Rosberg to me looks like he´s giving up but he misjudges the distance with his front wing and rear tire

So a racing incident then...

Worth pointing out here that Saward claims Rosberg is alleged to have said he 'left his nose alongside to prove a point', as opposed to the more sensationalised 'crashed into him to make a point'.

Quite a difference in refusing to back out of a fight with your teammate, and deliberately driving into them.

[ChrisM40]

How could Lewis have avoided it? He was on the racing line, and Nicos 'move', if you can even call it that, was dead. Lewis expected, rightly, that Nico would slot in behind, rather than hit him.

By making sure that he stays away from that front wing of Rosberg's car?
It takes two to tango, none of them was/is an angel in this case.

You have to be trolling now, no one can be that blind surely.

[SilverArrow10]

How could Lewis have avoided it? He was on the racing line, and Nicos 'move', if you can even call it that, was dead. Lewis expected, rightly, that Nico would slot in behind, rather than hit him.

By making sure that he stays away from that front wing of Rosberg's car?
It takes two to tango, none of them was/is an angel in this case.

Your not getting this are you. Its in the regulations. If the car in front is far enough ahead by more than half a car length it is his right to take the racing line. It is then up to the other driver to get out of the way. In a case like this it takes one to tango. If they were side by side wheel to wheel I would agree. But not in this case.

[SectorOne]

Rosberg to me looks like he´s giving up but he misjudges the distance with his front wing and rear tire

So a racing incident then...

Worth pointing out here that Saward claims Rosberg is alleged to have said he 'left his nose alongside to prove a point', as opposed to the more sensationalised 'crashed into him to make a point'.

Quite a difference in refusing to back out of a fight with your teammate, and deliberately driving into them.

So take a pick. Because if you choose both statements in your post you are a hypocrite.

It´s not a racing incident if a driver deliberately puts his nose in an area it do not belong to prove a point.
It´s malicious intent and is not a racing incident.

It´s also not a racing incident when Maldonado on purpose hit Hamilton in SPA 2012(?)

[Jano11]

Now you are going too far. Not that Hamilton didn't do just that, he did.

No i´m not. And he did disregard Rosberg as he should. Again, it´s on Rosberg to back off.

But this is the mindset that is losing Hamilton his chances to ever get a 2nd F1 WDC title, unless he thinks that RB will not be up there next season.
You can't disregard the existence of front wing alongside your wheel, the rules of physics are there waiting to apply to a contact.
IMO both were equally stubborn and have a part of blame.

[Jano11]

How could Lewis have avoided it? He was on the racing line, and Nicos 'move', if you can even call it that, was dead. Lewis expected, rightly, that Nico would slot in behind, rather than hit him.

By making sure that he stays away from that front wing of Rosberg's car?
It takes two to tango, none of them was/is an angel in this case.

Your not getting this are you. Its in the regulations. If the car in front is far enough ahead by more than half a car length it is his right to take the racing line. It is then up to the other driver to get out of the way. In a case like this it takes one to tango. If they were side by side wheel to wheel I would agree. But not in this case.

Please give us a quote about this half length rule that gives right to drive over front wings I don't remember seeing it or hearing it yet.

This was a racing incident, both could have avoided however none of them wanted to.