2014 Italian GP - Monza, September 5-7

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Juzh wrote:Ros is apparently carrying less DF compared to Ham. Speed trap data would support that. Also, ros said in the press conference how he was always gonna be quicker in some places and slower in others. So, if ham somehow can't escape drs then ros has a slight advantage in a straight line.
Jush, he's only 3km/h up on Hamy but at this track a more DF setup makes a lot of difference both in corner entry and exit like A.Davidson hinted in his Skypad showing the drivers taking side by side the Ascari corner ...

On the top speed advantage matter we could see there is an almost level playing field between Merc and Williams : http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... _trap.html

Btw. Ferrari opted for a low DF setup, maybe taking an aggressive 2 stops strategy and taking a gamble for a SC period ...

Now I think Lewis, in hindsight of the wrong Spa setup, didn't opted here for a high DF, bearing in mind that back then he was almost 6km/h slower than Nico and thus allowing the latter (previously knowing from their data) to attack him on the Kemel straight on the second lap and maybe, like Ringo stated, Nico was also using over revs and full power for that ...

On the Monza note, another issue is the fact that Lewis had flat spotted his tyres in Q2, which were be fitted in the race and maybe his higher DF setup (than Nico) it'll help him with this issue or maybe in the race with a better tyre wear and possibly a one stop strategy?
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Redragon wrote:Changing tyre with bare hands, Mercedes mechanic have real big balls!!!!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/as05c7mrguyzw ... 2.png?dl=0
huh? is that safe? smart?

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atanatizante wrote:On the Monza note, another issue is the fact that Lewis had flat spotted his tyres in Q2, which were be fitted in the race and maybe his higher DF setup (than Nico) it'll help him with this issue or maybe in the race with a better tyre wear and possibly a one stop strategy?
F1 Fanatic wrote:All the drivers in the top ten will start on the medium compound tyres. Hamilton had a small lock-up on the set he will start the race on but said afterwards he wasn’t concerned about potential damage. “I didn’t have any problems with the tyres when I finished the lap, so they’re fine,” he said.

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komninosm wrote:
Redragon wrote:Changing tyre with bare hands, Mercedes mechanic have real big balls!!!!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/as05c7mrguyzw ... 2.png?dl=0
huh? is that safe? smart?
I used to work in kitchens and have known plenty of people to build up a tolerance to heat in their hands to the point of being able to take trays out of the oven without gloves, tyres are nowhere near as hot as that.

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Mattyw wrote: Dont quote me but im sure the stats shown on sky for hami's long run on the hard in the first stint of fp3 were 1.28's consistantly whereas ros low 29's with bottas and RB behind. Think merc have at least half a second in hand.
that's true, if we compare it to Massa's longrun in FP2 (who was quickest on the hard tyres) he was ~8 to 9 tenths faster.

but we also need to take into account that the track improved a lot and the quick laps of more or less everyone were ~7 to 8 tenths faster as well compared to Friday.

Bottas didn't do a longrun on hard tyres, if we assume he is 2 tenths quicker than Massa and the track improved by 7 tenths we end up with equal speed again...

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Raikkonen's gear ratio changes seem to be limited to making 8th about 3% longer, with other gears most likely unchanged.
I couldn't find any data for 1st gear nor for Alonso, though.
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marcush. wrote:the situation at Mercedes seems not to help the team nor the drivers.i wouldn´t be surprised if this would play into the hands of the guys behind ,especially when the two Merc heros are NOT going to touch at any cost...so there must be a fairly wide path in between the two approaching turn 1? Let´s ses who is taking advantage of this ..
considering the pace of the Williams a lot hinges on the quality of the pitstops tomorrow -It´s crunch time for williams if they really want to take a win they need to match and beat Mercedes in that domain.Rob Smedleys recent comments about his displeasure to have not yet won with their current package should be enough to expect something special on sunday...
Bottas first win or a most romantic Massa reloaded...í´d be more than happy to see some of that.
Both Nico and Lewis certainly need to watch out for the Williams, especially Massa in the first corner.

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CHT wrote:
marcush. wrote:the situation at Mercedes seems not to help the team nor the drivers.i wouldn´t be surprised if this would play into the hands of the guys behind ,especially when the two Merc heros are NOT going to touch at any cost...so there must be a fairly wide path in between the two approaching turn 1? Let´s ses who is taking advantage of this ..
considering the pace of the Williams a lot hinges on the quality of the pitstops tomorrow -It´s crunch time for williams if they really want to take a win they need to match and beat Mercedes in that domain.Rob Smedleys recent comments about his displeasure to have not yet won with their current package should be enough to expect something special on sunday...
Bottas first win or a most romantic Massa reloaded...í´d be more than happy to see some of that.
Both Nico and Lewis certainly need to watch out for the Williams, especially Massa in the first corner.
if anything bad happens we know it won't be Massas fault ;)

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langwadt wrote:
CHT wrote:
marcush. wrote:the situation at Mercedes seems not to help the team nor the drivers.i wouldn´t be surprised if this would play into the hands of the guys behind ,especially when the two Merc heros are NOT going to touch at any cost...so there must be a fairly wide path in between the two approaching turn 1? Let´s ses who is taking advantage of this ..
considering the pace of the Williams a lot hinges on the quality of the pitstops tomorrow -It´s crunch time for williams if they really want to take a win they need to match and beat Mercedes in that domain.Rob Smedleys recent comments about his displeasure to have not yet won with their current package should be enough to expect something special on sunday...
Bottas first win or a most romantic Massa reloaded...í´d be more than happy to see some of that.
Both Nico and Lewis certainly need to watch out for the Williams, especially Massa in the first corner.
if anything bad happens we know it won't be Massas fault ;)
Wonder how will Merc react if a non merc touch one of their cars?

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That depends on which driver gets touched...
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Juzh wrote:
Great interview, Mark making a lot of sense as usual. :)
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CHT wrote:Will have to read the transcript of the post qualifying conference again. IIRC, Lewis emphasis a lot on his side of the garage and HIS side of the team rather than saying the whole team. The value in this is the tension between the 2 drivers and they are not afraid of making it obvious.

Here is the transcript of the post quali conference.
I'm very proud of my guys. My guys on the side of the garage have also been through the difficult time with me and they've done a remarkable job in terms of every time bouncing back and fixing the car and dealing with the difficulties so we've done this as a team

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djos wrote:
Great interview, Mark making a lot of sense as usual. :)
Yup, indeed.
And he's a genuinely nice and straightforward guy. Bit of a shame that his career in F1 ended the way it did.

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Normally guy attacking to blame? I thought it was the opposite at Red Bull, literally: when someone attacks you, meaning Vettel attacking Webber, you had to leave him a lot of space.

Seriously, his description pointing at both sides: the outcome changes everything and LH being involved in some other incidents with "reference points" (with obvious Rosberg's part of course), overall downplaying Spa and mentioning policies inconsistencies(Hungary) = v. good.