2014 Italian GP - Monza, September 5-7

[komninosm]

Does pole line have a lot more rubber?

I jinxed it. Hamilton, Bottas, Ricciardo all in pole line, all bad starts.

[FoxHound]

Chorus of Boos for Rosberg.

[basti313]

The strategy Vettel and the team chose was stupid. I just can't see why he pitted so early. He's made the tyres last as long as anyone today and the early pit cost him dearly..

Indeed it was stupid, knowing that he uses his tyres more heavily than Ricciardo to pit him that early and to force him into such a long second stint. His tyres were completely gone at the end of the race. He lost more than 8s on Ricciardo in 4 laps.

No, it was not stupid. Vettel's early stop forced the McLarens to pit early. Without the undercut and both Bulls pitting late they would have ended up behind the McLarens, that could have pitted late aswell.

[Shrieker]

Wow podium battle between Ros and Ham to get more cheers from the crowd lol.

[komninosm]

Massa as useless as ever

Prophetic! :p

BTW Massa seemed friendly with Hamilton (finally) and at some point in the podium he pointed something out in the crowd down below for Ham and laughed, any idea what it was?

[henra]

No, it was not stupid. Vettel's early stop forced the McLarens to pit early. Without the undercut and both Bulls pitting late they would have ended up behind the McLarens, that could have pitted late aswell.

Stupid for him personally. For RB and Ricciardo it was beneficial. They sacrificed Vettel to bait the McLarens so that Ricciardo could profit from it.

[Juzh]

362 kmh for ricciardo means nothing. Could be flat out full discharge in a massive slipstream in action while sacrificing overall lap time. Everytime there was a renault and mercedes coming onto the power side by side merc powered car would leave renaults for dead. Horsepower advantage must be significant for something like this to happen. 50-60bhp minimum if we compare it to how last year's kers pulled cars ahead. Also, RBs still had the lowest AoA of all cars.

[komninosm]

No, it was not stupid. Vettel's early stop forced the McLarens to pit early. Without the undercut and both Bulls pitting late they would have ended up behind the McLarens, that could have pitted late aswell.

Stupid for him personally. For RB and Ricciardo it was beneficial. They sacrificed Vettel to bait the McLarens so that Ricciardo could profit from it.

I wonder if Vettel could do 2 pit stops and go faster.

[F1NAC]

I am still impressed with renault power. How did they manage to go that fast with 15 or 20 how horner said HP deficit

[RZS10]

"a little bit of a dummy ... good fun" - Ricciardo

[henra]

I wonder if Vettel could do 2 pit stops and go faster.

If there was no traffic probably yes. He lost a huge amount of time towards the end of the race (about 20s). The Problem is if you are the only one to pit twice you have to overtake all the cars which pass you during the 25s in the pit. That will cost a lot of time and again tyre wear. So it probably wouldn't have worked.

[FoxHound]

362 kmh for ricciardo means nothing. Could be flat out full discharge in a massive slipstream in action while sacrificing overall lap time. Everytime there was a renault and mercedes coming onto the power side by side merc powered car would leave renaults for dead. Horsepower advantage must be significant for something like this to happen. 50-60bhp minimum if we compare it to how last year's kers pulled cars ahead. Also, RBs still had the lowest AoA of all cars.

So top speed means nothing?

No mercedes powered car with low AoA could match 362,1 km/h. I also saw Riccardo and Vettel overtake the Mercedes powered cars around them.
You are pulling 60bhp deficit from the Red Bull PR machine, which we know is BS.

Basically, Renault are not far behind and have demonstrated good in season development of its engine and power recovery systems.

Finally, you should also be aware that the engines themselves are in fact very evenly matched. Its the energy recovery systems, batteries and how the energy is recovered, stored and then used which is making a difference.

[henra]

I am still impressed with renault power. How did they manage to go that fast with 15 or 20 how horner said HP deficit

Easy:
Little wing, fully charged ERS, DRS + slipstream and here we go.
What it does point at is that at least if they can fully harvest ERS they are not down much more than those alleged (and plausible) 20HP compared to probably somewhere between 50 and 80 HP earlier in the season. So it seems Renault made more progress than Ferrari in the engine department. The way how Bottas passed the Ferrari and RBs one after the other in the first stint indicates still a visible advantage for the Merc engine at least over more than one straight. So recovery/harvesting appears to be still significantly better in the Merc while in peak output Renault seems to have closed the gap somewhat.

[henra]

Loved the rosberg boo's, well deserved!

Ahhh, Now I know what F1technical stands for
Very profound technical insights by some here...

[prince]

Loved the rosberg boo's, well deserved!

Ahhh, Now I know what F1technical stands for
Very profound technical insights here...

Well, my friend, you cannot stop people from expressing their opinions as they are all members here. If you don't like, you report it by hitting that "Report" button, but do not generalize the whole forum with negative remark.

In between, did anyone noticed how Toto was smiling when Lewis took over the lead and Sky Sports did asked him about that.