or a better pit strategy so he didn't have to pass the same three guys twicemipade wrote:Do you guys think Bottas would have been a contenter for the victory if he had a better start??
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Lewis Hamilton took the win at the Italian Grand Prix, recovering from a troubled start that saw him fall back to fourth after the first lap. Nico Rosberg finished in second place while former Ferrari driver Felipe Massa takes his first ever podium for Williams.
or a better pit strategy so he didn't have to pass the same three guys twicemipade wrote:Do you guys think Bottas would have been a contenter for the victory if he had a better start??
he wasn't watching his mirrors, but I bet he was wondering what Lewis was doing, he said as much himself.Kingshark wrote:No one was even close to Nico on his first off.Just_a_fan wrote:I wonder if Nico's two off were because he was watching his mirrors expecting a dive up the inside. He knows he couldn't afford any kind of incident with Hamilton today so definitely wouldn't have wanted to turn in on him if he came steaming up the inside in to T1.
Also the radio message to his side to stop telling him the gap!dans79 wrote:he wasn't watching his mirrors, but I bet he was wondering what Lewis was doing, he said as much himself.Kingshark wrote:No one was even close to Nico on his first off.Just_a_fan wrote:I wonder if Nico's two off were because he was watching his mirrors expecting a dive up the inside. He knows he couldn't afford any kind of incident with Hamilton today so definitely wouldn't have wanted to turn in on him if he came steaming up the inside in to T1.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115756
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/ ... ent3_0.pdfprince wrote:Does someone have information on the PU usage of each driver?
it was ridicules, Bottas tried the outside but didn't make it. If they intend to penalize that they will have to penalizeroadie wrote:Thoughts on the penalty for MAG?
Seems deserved to me. He often forces cars off track when they are alongside, but outside him.
? i did hear coulthard on the bbc complain that mag had changed his line very late at one of the chickens ,maybe thats where the penaly came from -he makes me very nervous when somebody is along side him ,but he is young needs to cool alittle perhaps,but i did see the move and didnt think it was a penalty--these penalties willl kill the racing soonThoughts on the penalty for MAG?
In light of Hamilton/Vettel on Raikkonen in Germany or Raikkonen-Magnussen Monaco or even Vettel Silverstone with track limits it's ridiculous. Until teams and drivers start calling out fraud-stewards with direct examples and demand consistency nothing will change in this pseudo sport. Since they act meekly and play the game, their problem. I would add media and audience but it's a lost cause. And people dared to not even call Hamilton on Webber Hungary 2013 forcing off track, not to mention expecting penalty.langwadt wrote:it was ridicules, Bottas tried the outside but didn't make it. If they intend to penalize that they will have to penalizeroadie wrote:Thoughts on the penalty for MAG?
Seems deserved to me. He often forces cars off track when they are alongside, but outside him.
every other driver that gets involved in any kind of racing.
how about Button and Perez? at ~0:30, http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29100402
iotar__ wrote:- OK Nico so as we planned first time for practice, second the real one
- OK Lewis, prepare for a fight near the end (the end, get it? Meaning now).
- Switcheroo. Was this the penalty they were talking about
I stopped halfway so Ricciardo in front of Vettel is a bit of a surprise, another chassis? DR gets away with murder this season, so did Bottas but that's how it works in competitive no man's land.
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You forget that if you pit earlier you don't have to pass them the first time, you still only have to pass them once on track, (maybe even no times) usually in the last stint. OK OK you have to pass them in first stint too usually, but that's easier done if you commit to extra pitstop strategy from the get-go.henra wrote:If there was no traffic probably yes. He lost a huge amount of time towards the end of the race (about 20s). The Problem is if you are the only one to pit twice you have to overtake all the cars which pass you during the 25s in the pit. That will cost a lot of time and again tyre wear. So it probably wouldn't have worked.komninosm wrote: I wonder if Vettel could do 2 pit stops and go faster.
That's very easily explained as Hamilton managing the gap. There's no reason to try and build a 15 second gap that could be erased by 1 safety car and then your enemy is right at your tail and your tires shot. You'll only see large gaps built when they want an extra pitstop.henra wrote:The first time I could understand but the second time he was fighting for the lead and thus the win. Was surprised that he didn't even try to make it.matt_b wrote:Nico locked his brakes in both instances but he was smart and prevented a flat spot and another pit stop so early into the stint, its as simple as that.
I don't really believe either that it was on purpose to let Hamilton through, I just found it strange.
He lost a couple of seconds on Hamilton in the subsequent laps which then suddenly stabilised again.
Over practically the whole race the lap time differential between Hamilton and Rosberg was <2/10 max. Then Rosberg lost 6s in a few laps (<<10) and then it stabilised again. Might simply have been a temporary technical Problem.
It seems to me Merc still can't go 100% over the whole race (even leaving Fuel limit aside). It's just a question when and which of the two drivers it hits first. They have significant excess pace but can sustain it only for a limited number of laps.
I get it now. Many people are spouting idiotic conspiracy theories because all this time only the Ham fans got to have fun in that area and the Ham haters got to get theirs in now. Sad part is that they could have found other moments to not sound so obviously unrealistic and uninspired. It's not fun if you force it as they say...WilliamsF1 wrote:Maybe this was the punishment Merc served him, let Lewis pass without a fight.
Agreed before the race.
Did you see Toto's face after that it was not one of winning but one of power.
the penalty was for "forcing a driver off the track", in every other case it would have been him defending his line and the other driver overshooting the corner.gavingav1 wrote:i did hear coulthard on the bbc complain that mag had changed his line very late at one of the chickens ,maybe thats where the penaly came from -he makes me very nervous when somebody is along side him ,but he is young needs to cool alittle perhaps,but i did see the move and didnt think it was a penalty--these penalties willl kill the racing soonThoughts on the penalty for MAG?
Completely deserved. Bottas kept parallel at first corner, so he had virtually overtaken Kevin, who pushed the finish out of the track because he doesn´t accept when he´s been overtaken. Same he did last race with Alonso. I´d have been more harsh with him because he´s reoffending for exactly the same. If every drive would act the same there would be zero overtakings, just push out of track anyone who put his wheels parallel to yours and nobody will overtake you ever....roadie wrote:Thoughts on the penalty for MAG?
Seems deserved to me. He often forces cars off track when they are alongside, but outside him.
So Button should have gotten a penalty for doing exactly the same defending against Perez?Andres125sx wrote:New Ricciardo fan here
Last 5 races he´s been awesome, with victories, podiums or simply great races. Podium at Silverstone, tough battle with Alonso at Germany with a slower car but fighting to the end, victories at Hungary and Belgium, and awesome race (after a poor start) here in Italy.
He made so many overtakings I can´t remind who did he overtake... Vettel, Button, Perez?, Magnusen?.... All of them looked so easy that make you wonder how Rosberg can go wide twice at the same point driving alone
Completely deserved. Bottas kept parallel at first corner, so he had virtually overtaken Kevin, who pushed the finish out of the track because he doesn´t accept when he´s been overtaken. Same he did last race with Alonso. I´d have been more harsh with him because he´s reoffending for exactly the same. If every drive would act the same there would be zero overtakings, just push out of track anyone who put his wheels parallel to yours and nobody will overtake you ever....roadie wrote:Thoughts on the penalty for MAG?
Seems deserved to me. He often forces cars off track when they are alongside, but outside him.
I´m not sure what do you mean with "exactly the same", but Button didn´t avoid Perez pass, so no, he didn´t take advatage so he doesn´t deserve a penaltylangwadt wrote:So Button should have gotten a penalty for doing exactly the same defending against Perez?
