2014 Italian GP - Monza, September 5-7

[iotar__]

Speed Trap Ricciardo = 362 Button - 355 Magnussen, Perez 348 Vettel 339

[strad]

Why is it no one on here can ever discuss things rationally or from an unbiased point of view? Always straight to the fanboy arguments.

[djos]

Speed Trap Ricciardo = 362 Button - 355 Magnussen, Perez 348 Vettel 339

No point comparing race max speeds, the only fair comparison is from Q3 - that shows ResBull's had ~10km deficit to the Merc's.

[iotar__]

Speed Trap Ricciardo = 362 Button - 355 Magnussen, Perez 348 Vettel 339

No point comparing race max speeds, the only fair comparison is from Q3 - that shows ResBull's had ~10km deficit to the Merc's.

Why Q3 of all things and not the race? You don't like top speed, OK - there's maximum speed at finish line and intermediate points, it looks fine for RD as well, not like TS but good. He did his job but it wasn't some great achievement to overtake those cars for all the reasons already mentioned.
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http://www.grandprix247.com/2014/09/09/ ... onspiracy/ Media personalities Whiting and Warwick (like after Monaco): "I saw mistakes at that chicane twenty times over the weekend," Warwick insisted. Charlie Whiting, the Formula 1 race director, was even more scathing of the conspiracy theorists. "Spare me,” he told the Times newspaper. "No, we didn’t even give the conspiracy theory a moment’s thought at the time." "A few drivers had problems at that chicane in practice, including Nico, who had a few problems there as well as in the race. I really don’t think there is anything in it," he added.

How many drivers had problems at the chicane during the race? Zero. How many went straight once in the race? Zero. How many went straight twice in the race - zero. But you see in practice we saw... That would be 21x53 laps = 1113 times with no problems and 2 from one driver with problems. Brilliant logic - practice is called practice for a reason. How about explaining yourself from awful application of penalties, on top of Magnussen-Bottas vs Button Gutierrez for random thing on the straight in Monza got the same penalty as Magnussen for hard defending and holy cow of F1 running out of track in Spa, run-of-the-mill accident. Both 20 s but you won't see Whiting and Warwick talking about it with the press, no local driver to defend.

[mikeerfol]

[iotar__]

Oh look, it does help .
For both Magnussen penalties: those warnings that accumulate (was it 3?) into grid penalty should be the right punishment. Sends a message about driving, still pays the price but doesn't rob you of earned points and gifts other drivers with them. Too common for stop and go. Edit: For comparison and following that logic, LH should have had three warnings after Germany, care for driving standards so apparent in Magnussen scolding as the the reason.

[SectorOne]

Awesome
That´s one helluva tow!

[George77]

Does anyone has the full on-board race?

[Shrieker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8kkwJ2d7M

As i suspected - it's a double bubble with drs. Wonder what might the Merc. or Williams have done under similar conditions.

[PlatinumZealot]

If you dump the full 100kg/s into the engine under full boost at low revs the torque produced will be off the charts

You can't do that, because otherwise everyone would be running low revs all the time to save fuel. The rules require 10500 RPM minimum before the 100 kg / hour could be used. That's one of the reasons you see most cars stay so close around 10 - 13k RPM.

Yeah i forgot about that regulation. But what I was saying is that they have limited laps to use overtake for some reason.

As per engine updates, Toto has admitted that Mercedes keeps the latest software and hardware updates to them selves for some period of time. Similar to ReBull with Renault. It makes sense in that they keep a performance edge over their engine mates and those who can't chalk up enough cheese or are late with payments pay the prices of receiving updates even later. We see how Renault has totally stopped supporting Lotus because Lotus are changing to MErcedes next year. Their drop from points scoring prospects to back of the grid runners show this sort of business policy quite clearly.

[Juzh]

Does anyone has the full on-board race?

Gonna be posted in "new videos" thread.

[FW17]

Someone has been running on the Monza oval (newly resurfaced). Wish we can have the video.

[SilverArrow10]

Someone has been running on the Monza oval (newly resurfaced). Wish we can have the video.

http://thejudge13.files.wordpress.com/2 ... =746&h=560

The bbc went on it with FIAT 500's. Pretending to be Michael Cane.....

[Mandrake]

Danny Ricciardo, Bernd Mayländer and Colin Kolles also consider that on top of the financial punishment, this was a confortable way of punishing Nico.

Making that error once is a non issue, but making it twice is interesting and not normal according to the above mentioned.

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 90915.html

Now my take: when he outbraked himself for the first time, he knew that he'd lose more than 2 seconds. With Hamilton so close behind, every driver would have tried to cut the chicane in a different manner, than just going straight. And Toto's face just gave it away completely, he had the Jeremy Clarkson smug face

[Phil]

I honestly can't figure why Mercedes or Rosberg would consider cutting the chicane to gift his team-mate the win, if there are countless other possible ways he could do that with the exact same result. Rosberg has shown a tendency to miss his braking point when under pressure (Canada), so why is it hard to believe that he might have genuinely missed the braking point at Monza for the 2nd time and cut the chicane?

When he outbraked himself the first time, yes - he lost some time compared to the cars behind him, but to what extend was Nico aware of how much he lost? He was quite a bit up the road when he did it the first time, so any time gap relative to the cars behind him would either be communicated by him by the team or he might have seen it on his onboard dash (?). One way or the other, I think he was just driving extra careful - not have a DNF, not compromise his brakes or tyres in the slightest, so when he realized he outbraked himself, it was easier to just cut the chicane again and accept 2nd (with the possibility of perhaps taking the fight back at the last laps) than to compromise his turn into the chicane, possibly flatspot his tyres and compromise his race and a definite 18 points.