Here you go. Vettel's onboard with telemetry
vettel vs button - spa 2014
345 kmh... that's gotta be the fastest red bull ever went.
New Red Bull n/a 12.42 9.71 7.85 6.49 5.48 4.73 4.28
Old Red Bull 19.02 13.51 9.91 7.83 6.46 5.52 4.89 4.42
Toro Rosso 16.00 12.43 9.30 7.71 6.49 5.47 4.72 4.28
Isn't it great to have a sister team to test your ratios for you? 7th and 8th are clearly copied from Toro Rosso. The changes in those gears are only about 3% towards longer, so fine tuning. Maybe to match a expected top speed. The change i 2nd is larger, almost 9%, and again the ratio seems copied from Toro Rosso, so maybe one could infer a ratio of 16.00 for 1st, also from the Toro Rosso book and tested for a few races after they changed it? 3rd and 4th are not Toro Rosso copies, though, so I guess they did not quite nail it with their change only for 1st gear. Alternatively this might reflect how much better the Bulls are in traction at medium-low speeds, with wheelspin being less of a worry.New McLaren n/a 14.71 12.04 9.29 7.48 5.98 5.03 4.39
Old McLaren 19.38 12.58 9.35 7.73 6.34 5.45 4.84 4.37
These changes are quite extreme and the graph is a bit more difficult to read (the new gear in colors are missing 1st, but it has all old 8 gears in gray, with 8th and 3rd almost hidden). 8th gear is almost identical to before, probably untouched with the difference being errors on my side, so this doesn't affect top speed. This also means that the change probably has nothing to do with Spa and Monza (they changed already in Austria). So at the 345 top speed at Spa the engine is doing a little under 12k - down from 12k+ with previous gearing? Suggests that the power peak is probably around 11k - 11.5k and 12k+ was a little down on power to realise the 345 kph.hollus wrote:This is the new gearing in the Bulls since Spa (in colors) compared to the old (in gray).
As reported in AMUS, 2nd, 7th and 8th became longer (I couldn't find any data for 1st). They reported 3rd to 6th staying the same.
These engines undoubtedly have a very wide power/efficiency band and McLaren have probably traded a tiny bit of power/efficiency (due to the need to use a broader rpm band during acceleration) for a significant reduction in gear-shifts. Gear-shifts themselves cost time and fuel so an equal trade-off would still be a win for gearbox reliability.hollus wrote:This is the new gearing in the McLarens as measured in Spa (in colors) compared to the old (in gray).
This also means that now they have a quite unique approach to gearing, with their 4th gear (very similar for everyone else), being approximately like every other team's 3rd.
Either they know something that everyone else is missing, or they blundered big time.
Gear Merc. Will. McLaren F.India T.Rosso R.Bull Lotus Marus. Ferrari Sauber Cater. 1 13.597 15.808 14.551 15.991 19.023 14.776 15.768 2 11.509 11.238 14.706 11.562 12.429 13.508 13.612 11.871 11.279 12.197 13.800 3 9.577 9.600 12.044 9.519 9.305 9.913 10.173 9.533 9.333 9.411 10.016 4 7.879 8.021 9.291 7.904 7.713 7.825 8.006 7.713 7.795 7.751 7.885 5 6.299 6.635 7.481 6.293 6.486 6.460 6.725 6.667 6.660 6.761 6.561 6 5.105 5.702 5.984 5.122 5.471 5.524 5.704 5.811 5.792 5.882 5.548 7 4.299 4.953 4.953 4.396 4.723 4.886 5.039 5.149 5.076 5.214 4.967 8 3.888 4.401 4.387 3.926 4.281 4.418 4.350 4.603 4.488 4.667 4.484Edit: After suggestions below, I checked again and the data for Mercedes's 8th came from only 3 datapoints, very close to each other, in China. After adding more and cleaner data from Monza, Mercedes' 8th came back 0.7% shorter than previously estimated, which leaves it only marginally longer than Force India's 8th. Close enough that one would consider the possibility that they are identical. I am not updating the graph or the ratios just yet, but just reduce its top speed by ~3km/h in your head...
That's Pat Symonds saying that they would have been OK with only 5 gears, which would save space and weight; and that they only have 8 because the rules say so.AMUS wrote:Für Symonds ist der achte Gang völlig überflüssig. "Die Motoren haben so viel Drehmoment, dass wir auch mit einem Fünfgang-Getriebe auskommen würden. Das würde viel Gewicht und Platz sparen. Leider schreibt das Reglement den achten Gang vor. Früher hieß es mindestens sieben Gänge. Der Passus wurde gestrichen. Sonst hätten wir nie einen achten Gang eingebaut."
hollus wrote:402 at 13000 and for 475Km/h at 15000rpm, thus being slightly shorter than that of Mercedes (which is good for 480 Km/h).
That's maybe stretching it a bit, but 7 gears only could probably work just fine?hollus wrote: That's Pat Symonds saying that they would have been OK with only 5 gears, which would save space and weight; and that they only have 8 because the rules say so.