KICK ralf out!

[dumrick]

Alonso is saying that Ralphie slowed down for him to pass and then accelerated again.

I'm sure he misinterpreted Ralf's pace, because of the gearbox problem. He may have suddenly gained momentum, when Ralf came up to the gears that were missing and went for the pass, thinking that Ralf was slowing down for him.

Ralf has been a real jackass, having problems and thinking he should decide where to be overtaken.
About Heidfeld, the curious thing is that HE WAS OVERTAKEN BY TRULLI IN THE TUNNEL, and when saw the Renault moving from the outside, slowed to give him the good line. So, concerning backmarkers, the Jordan "just" was temporarily "blind", while Schumacher was blind AND STUPID

[Irvingthien]

Isn't this a little harsh??Well,overtaking in Monaco is always risky even though lapping a slower back marker because f1 cars today is too fast.I thibk Alonso should have passed Ralf on the corner ahead instead of in the tunnel.One thing I'm not sure is who moved out of the racing line.If it was Alonso who did it,Ralf is to be blamed for not letting Alonso pass.

[Renault-BAR]

Both Heidfeld and Ralf had the opportunity to allow the car Trulli and Alonso respectively to pass at the Loews Hairpin. However, both of them were reluctant. Although I didn't see how exactly Trulli overtook Heidfeld, I have a feeling Trulli overtook him nearing the exit of the tunnel. Ralf kept on the racing line and did not give way to Alonso at the tunnel. Alonso forced his way around and crashed because that part of the circuit was slippery.

[dumrick]

Trulli overtook Heidfeld in the exact point that Alonso was trying to go pass Ralf, and from the outside also. The only difference was that Heidfeld let him take the line in the right-hander inside the tunnel. I suppose he slowed down.

This shows that Alonso's instinct wasn't fundamentally wrong and that's not a bad place to overtake backmarkers, as the fast car makes the turn as usual and the slow one just has to lift the throttle a bit and keep the inside line, avoiding loosing to much time, stepping out the line in the tight Monaco's corners.

[Irvingthien]

I would like to have a second say on this topic...as a neutral fan of this topic,I want to say that Ralf is a BAD team player.His performance doesn't match his wage demands and Toyota will make a big mistake of signing him with a bigger offer than he is now earning at Williams.He may be good sometimes,but he is too inconsistent.When things goes bad,he blames everyone.Verdict:Not a good driver.

[KeithYoung]

I cant beleive the ignorance of some people. And for that matter let me point out that the cars didnt touch. My god.

[Steven]

of course they did not touch, but Ralf hitting the throttle again obliged Alonso to remain on the outside, which is why he ran wide into the barriers.

Incredible that Ralf dares to say Alonso is inexperienced... just can't believe it. He thinks he's all that, but in reality he is just a very poor driver that is in the wrong car. (I'd put him in a Minardi and let him pay all things he breaks himself, this way Minardi would have a very decent income)

[elgerbo]

http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/ ... 4847.shtml

'Ralf's fault' says Coulthard

Of couse David Coulthard for the "aces" of this site are a "inexperienced" driver.

[Spencifer_Murphy]

First off I dont belive the rubbish about Ralf having a gearbox problem...he seemed to overcome anyshifting problems when Alonso's Renault spun in front of him didn't he???

Secondly, Ralf's biggest mistake in that incident was not making a final choice. He slowed down initially then got back on the accelerator for a breif time and slowed a little again. Ralf simply didnt slow down enough and Alonso was forced around the side...fair enough Fernando shouldn't have passed around the outside, But Michael shouldn't have tested his brakes in the tunnel...but nither Michael or fernando can be put at fault for it because they where simply doing all the could to gain an advantage, which is what you have to do if you want to win.

Yes Heifeld wos a pain in the neck that race...but at least he had the excuse of battleing for position when being lapped. Ralf on the otherhand was on his own with no-one to actually RACE. I dont understand him, he makes such foolish errors.

[Guest]

Sato lost his Jordan in the tunnel when he went off the racing line to let Fisischella past. If you for various reason cant let a car by then its the car behind that will have to wait.

Alonso was just to hot and should have waited until after the tunnel.

Didnt Ralf retire with a gearbox problem ?

/ Fx

[Spencifer_Murphy]

Yes ralf did retire with a gearbox problem. What I meant wos that I dont believe that the gearbox problem had any influence over the incident in the tunnel with Alonso. I think tht is bull***. But each to their own. Guest you are right, if your various reasons you cannot let a car by, then they mus wait. But ralf had no reasons! He was alone on the track (with regard to those ahead of him in terms of race position) Had he been in the middle of a battle for a race position then i could sympathise with him. But he wasnt. The gearbox problem is rubbish...yes he retired with it, but it did not influence anything in the tunnel because if it had, ralf would have found it impossible to slow doen so drastically when exiting the tunnel without stalling the engine.....but he did it.

Its strange..Ralf must have heeling hands. He miraculously cured the gearbox gremlins when he saw the remains of Alonso's renault spinign in front of him! Besides even if he did have a gearbox problem at the time...when you have a problem with your car you have MORE incentive to move over!!! That's what everyone else does...why can't ralf?

[pompelmo]

--- happens!
Also in racing are stupid people!

Mladost je norost!

[rumpelstulskin]

Alonso fumed at BMW-Williams' ace Ralf Schumacher, who was being lapped, because he said the German 'drove me to the outside' precipitating a 180mph shunt. FIA representatives told Fernando 'they saw nothing. "But you can't see anything in a tunnel, that's right," Fernando added.

He accused the governing body of favouring Ralf's surname. "His last name weighs too much," the Spaniard claimed.

He said he won't be talking to Ralf, 28 - brother of the F1 champion - at Nurburgring because 'I'm a mere mortal. Ralf thinks we're at different levels. "If his name was Baumgartner, he'd be crucified. We wouldn't let him in at Nurburgring."

I like Alonso's attitude

http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=52276

[Guest]

I wonder what Baumgartner would feel if he heard or saw that.

West

[icef1mkd]

Guys look,
First of all, I’m must say that I worship Renault, but speaking realisticly:
The tunnel definitely was not the place for lapping Ralf. Indeed Michael was chasing and Ralf held Fernando for half a lap. I agree with Coulthard who said that Ralf should have made room before or after the tunnel.
But I’m quite sure Ralf would’nt move even on the exit coz Nouvelle is just there, so Fernando would have lost more and more time.
Ralf (deliberatly or not) decided to lift off the throtlle it the middle of the tunnel and THAT’S his mistake!
But not just he braked lightly (far from enough to leave room) he also kept the ideal racing line and Fernando had nowhere to go.

Tomba, dude, I think you’ll agree.