2014 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka

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Jano11 wrote: He can't win, but that isn't his target, his target is to keep drivers from very dangerous situations and today he failed miserably. Somehow he thinks that aquaplaning and risking a hit with the barriers is worse then hitting a tractor. Hi age is showing him up, time to go.

And he has done a fantastic job. Its no ones fault. Its just one of thise things. If you want to blame anyone , blame the organisers for not cancelling the race if you think its all to dangerous
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Why was it charlie's fault?

Double waved yellows and flashing yellow lights were lit.
Job done.

If he is getting roasted over the accident we may as well forget about racing in wet conditions.
And POOF! Just like that wet racing becomes the thing of legend.

That what you want?!
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e30ernest wrote:From Sky Sports F1:
Medical helicopter could fly and did take off to check conditions. BIANCHI was taken by a road ambulance due to MEDICAL reasons, not due to visibility or weather conditions.
What kind of medical reason would prevent an airlift? Shouldn't that still be a better option since it will get Bianchi to the hospital sooner?
The only one that springs to my mind is a serious one I'm afraid. They won't normally airlift a patient who needs, or might need, to be ventilated as, depending in the model of helicopter used, that's not possible due to space.

Alternatively it could be that he actually wasn't deemed serious enough to need a helicopter. You can be unconscious without it being life-threatening and so it was decided to take him by road...

I suppose there could also have been concerns about weather at the receiving hospital due to high winds...

For the record I'm a first year student Paramedic, so whilst I have some knowledge in this area, I could just as easily be completely wrong...
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Jano11 wrote:
search wrote:
Shakeman wrote:
It's easy for people to have 20/20 vision with hindsight.

Those same people pointing fingers at CW would be the same ones complaining at starting under the SC or the many times CW has deployed the SC in the past.
Sutil said plenty of other drivers were going through that corner at full speed even after the safety car was deployed - so a crash like this also could have happened if the safety car had been deployed immediately.
Once yellows are waved and/or SC is out they all have to drive to a delta time, the FIA should check if any were not doing that and sanction them.
I am not exactly aware if there is any rule covering yellow flags, which brings a certain speed limit. I have always heard the experts and commentators saying, the team has to show that THE DRIVER SLOWED in yellow flag zone and that's it. So, if Sutil says the drivers were speeding, this is something FIA need to think about.

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FoxHound wrote:Why was it charlie's fault?

Double waved yellows and flashing yellow lights were lit.
Job done.

If he is getting roasted over the accident we may as well forget about racing in wet conditions.
And POOF! Just like that wet racing becomes the thing of legend.

That what you want?!
Exactly right. Some people obviously dont like Charlie for one reason or another
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mertol wrote:I'm pointing the finger at inconsistent SC deployment and penalties and what not. This guy has to go.
I'm not blaming Charlie, but the inconsistencies are there. We started the race behind the safety car due to the weather. I was surprised when it wasn't brought out due to the crane being in use given the conditions...
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Jano11 wrote:[quote="Shakeman"="NathanOlder"]I dont see that Charlie did anything wrong.[

It's easy for people to have 20/20 vision with hindsight.

Those same people pointing fingers at CW would be the same ones complaining at starting under the SC or the many times CW has deployed the SC in the past.

Sutil said plenty of other drivers were going through that corner at full speed even after the safety car was deployed - so a crash like this also could have happened if the safety car had been deployed immediately.
Once yellows are waved and/or SC is out they all have to drive to a delta time, the FIA should check if any were not doing that and sanction them.[/quote]

Let's not string Charlie up just yet, the corner was not crashing 15 cars after Sutil. Could be driver error, in terms of speed under the yellows. Regardless, I hope we get some good news soon
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NathanOlder wrote:
Jano11 wrote:
Even half a second is enough for this to happen.
Charlie lost too much time at the start behind the SC, when the drivers were asking to race, and he tried to make up that time at the end by not sending out the SC in a dangerous situation. He has clearly lost his marbles and has to leave.
He is responsible for the Bianchi situation, should be happy this isn't Italy.

Give it a rest. You cant point the finger like that. We would have a multiple safety cars every race on that basis
Ofcourse I can point the finger like that, it's called freedom of speech.
We already have a bunch off SC almost every race, funnily enough these are very randomly deployed by dear Charlie, maybe an Alzheimer's check is due.
This mistake might cost a young driver's life, there can't be a worse outcome to a bad decision then losing a life.
All those who think Charlie did well, should consider their stance if they had a personal connection to that poor driver.

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It seems that Nico's driving style heats the tyres up more, which helps in qualifying but hurts him in the race.

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Sounds weird, but I woke up this morning thinking someone is seriously hurt, I don't know why, but I thought it was Alonso :wtf: .

Hope Bianchi is OK, can any describe what happened?

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NathanOlder wrote:
Jano11 wrote: He can't win, but that isn't his target, his target is to keep drivers from very dangerous situations and today he failed miserably. Somehow he thinks that aquaplaning and risking a hit with the barriers is worse then hitting a tractor. Hi age is showing him up, time to go.

And he has done a fantastic job. Its no ones fault. Its just one of thise things. If you want to blame anyone , blame the organisers for not cancelling the race if you think its all to dangerous
He did a bad job, a life is on the line right now. How can you call that fantastic? #-o
And I have already blamed the organizers for not holding the race earlier, in this very thread.

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@nathan

I'm not a fan of his truth be told.
But this business of a witch hunt should be consigned to the bin.
Holding it up as "freedom of speech" charade as some have denigrates freedom of speech.
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oT v1 wrote:
Jano11 wrote:[quote="Shakeman"="NathanOlder"]I dont see that Charlie did anything wrong.[

It's easy for people to have 20/20 vision with hindsight.

Those same people pointing fingers at CW would be the same ones complaining at starting under the SC or the many times CW has deployed the SC in the past.

Sutil said plenty of other drivers were going through that corner at full speed even after the safety car was deployed - so a crash like this also could have happened if the safety car had been deployed immediately.
Once yellows are waved and/or SC is out they all have to drive to a delta time, the FIA should check if any were not doing that and sanction them.
Let's not string Charlie up just yet, the corner was not crashing 15 cars after Sutil. Could be driver error, in terms of speed under the yellows. Regardless, I hope we get some good news soon[/quote]

15 cars need not crash at the same place, two is enough.

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Since we don't have any news on Bianchi...

Did Hamilton just have a better setup for the (wet) race compromising his result in Q or is he just faster

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Double waved yellows may be good enough on dry track. In the wet, during the intensifying rain, drivers can suddenly aquaplane even if they slow down. Probably Sutil had aquaplaned off in the first place. In my opinion in such situations the SC should be mandatory before any crane gets on the track. That should be the lesson from today and let's hope that Bianchi will not pay his life for that.