2014 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka

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marcush.
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Pushing the speed limiter button for everyone does not imply how the limiter is blended in .you sure can set a hard switch -easily but you could as well switch to a smooth ramp over say 2 or 3 seconds and nobody would be facing trouble ..

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I think what can be done with modern ECUs is to turn on some sort of traction control and stability assist in yellow flag zone, so as to reduce chances of going off. Of course it is no guarantee, but still a bit of help. Also, ERS can be automatically shut down, so there would be less power but not a drastic difference.

Oakstreet
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The FIA says Bianchi has suffered 'severe' head injury. Due to be moved to intensive care after surgery.

https://twitter.com/NobleF1/status/518722081044041728

Yurasyk
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I guess the better idea is to automatically cut engine power (or to apply any other adequate influence) at the certain safe point of the track (usually piese of straight) near the beginning of the yellowed section one or two corners or some hundred of meters on the straignt before accident point.

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piast9 wrote:
bonjon1979 wrote:Your car would slow down. What's the problem?
Sudden power cutoff at the corner may cause a spin. That's the problem.
Edit: the solution could be that the driver has to press himself a yellow-flag limiter. Then that power reduction will occur at the moment that driver is conscious of..
Why would it have to be sudden? Just need to have the ems slowly cut power over a few seconds.

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SiLo
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Why are we discussing it? They already do it in the WEC. So if it works there, it can work here.
Felipe Baby!

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So Charlie randomly sent out safety cars when cars spun in the dry. He lets this race start under SC but he does not deploy it when sending out heavy machinery on a wet track right in a corner with not much safety room? Sounds not really sane. SC procudures need to be revisited, they seem totally random and sometimes lead by factors other than safety.

I hope Bianchi will be alright and the pictures look worse than it really is. It's also tragic for Marussia to be involved again in a such a severe accident.

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SiLo wrote:Why are we discussing it? They already do it in the WEC. So if it works there, it can work here.
Exactly.


mrluke
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How many head injuries before covered cockpits?

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mrluke wrote:How many head injuries before covered cockpits?
Would that helped? Given the speed and specific kind of impact, I'd presume that a cockpit cover would have been shattered.
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kaller wrote:So Charlie randomly sent out safety cars when cars spun in the dry. He lets this race start under SC but he does not deploy it when sending out heavy machinery on a wet track right in a corner with not much safety room? Sounds not really sane. SC procudures need to be revisited, they seem totally random and sometimes lead by factors other than safety.
This is just plain wrong:
1. There is nothing random about the safety cars this year, they are just less likely. Cars spinning away from the racing line did not cause any SC this year. Every SC this year was well founded by parts on the racing line or heavy accidents.
2. Not deploying the SC did not cause the accident. There was double yellow, under SC the cars would not have been slower there.

I think it is not good to start the (usual) manhunt on Charlie on the back of Jules tragic accident. I do not like him too, but one has to discuss the true reason for this accident. The problem is the tractor immediately entering the "unsafe" area of the track. This is the second heavy accident within one year with these stupid tractors, one already deadly...hopefully not also the second.
In Monaco they have no space at all, but a big crane in every corner. There one or two marshals go to the car, put the car on the crane and the car is away...no tractor other cars can run into, no tractor which overruns the marshals, no need to stay near the car for the marshals and stabilize the car on the tractor. On other tracks you never see these much saver cranes.

Jano11 wrote:
SiLo wrote:Why are we discussing it? They already do it in the WEC. So if it works there, it can work here.
Exactly.
You should not miss, that the system is heavily criticized in WEC and that we had a heavy accident under yellow in LeMans due to abrupt slowing down on the straight.
Don`t russel the hamster!

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mrluke wrote:How many head injuries before covered cockpits?
Many, and many more to come, this is the issue when those in charge are old and senile, and think that looks of the cars is most important for F1.

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turbof1 wrote:
mrluke wrote:How many head injuries before covered cockpits?
Would that helped? Given the speed and specific kind of impact, I'd presume that a cockpit cover would have been shattered.
Maybe, however it would have absorbed more energy before the helmet hit that tractor, and in such cases every bit helps.

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What happened to the up and down voting? Its getting stinky in here....