Jules Bianchi has sustained "severe head injury" in today's crash on lap 47 of the Japanese Grand Prix. The Frenchman is currently undergoing surgery at Mie hospital in Japan.
Yes let's just skip that useless SC stuff right? And of course CW's decision not to bring out the SC right after Sutil's crash was because he knew SC doesn't change anything. Wel at least if only 1 car crashes, if a second car crashes than according to CW it does make a difference apparently.basti313 wrote:You should read everything...Sutil also said, that cars were going flat out through this corner during the safety car period after the Bianchi crash...SC would have changed nothing.F1NAC wrote:It was poor visibility, even Sutil said that. Possibly he didn't saw double yellows or he entered too fast in zone with double yellows. There was surely need for a safety car when machinery is going out and the track is wet. There is no excuse for thatringo wrote:Slowing down suffiently at double yellows is the solution. These guys are paid big bucks, they know it's a high risk job and so they need to be fully responsible for their own safety. There's only so much that the fia can do. I think the measures in place are sufficient apart from looking into more detail thr deployment of tge tractor, everything else should rest on the driver when it comes to safe conduct on track and duting yellow flags.
No, the problem is that how SCs are handled in all forms of racing is that your first attention is how do I get back to pit as quickly as possible - complicated by where you are on track when the SC comes out. If the goal is to slow down, the pit pressures eliminates that. As I said in another thread:kaller wrote:Yes let's just skip that useless SC stuff right? And of course CW's decision not to bring out the SC right after Sutil's crash was because he knew SC doesn't change anything. Wel at least if only 1 car crashes, if a second car crashes than according to CW it does make a difference apparently.
You still get a race *in* the pit, just not a race *to* the pit. Everyone can properly slow down. Further, if you take damage due to the cause of the SC (puncture, etc) you aren't really penalized for that - you limp back, do your best in the pit lane, maybe take a few seconds loss due to having to change a front wing, etc. and get back out without getting dropped to the back of the field.What they could do instead is not make it a race to the pits - take everyone's delta at the last cross of start/finish, give them 2 full laps to pit (SCs are never less than 2 laps and it takes at least 2 laps to form up the field) and if they pit take their time inside within the speed limit region. At the end of the 2nd lap calculate their new position based on the start/finish delta combined with the pit time and reorder the field before the SC leaves. Those are all discrete measurements, timing/scoring can easily calculate and order the field, as can the teams and broadcasters. This involves a new pit lane bogey time because it doesn't include the deceleration/navigation of pit entrance/acceleration back to speed, but then it also doesn't include the time it takes cars at speed to cover the distance from pit enter to exit, so everyone will have a different pit cost while under SC but it'll be relatively fixed for everyone.
With this rule, there's no rush to get back to pits - in fact there's an incentive to slow down to give the pit crew time to set up and to develop a pit strategy (pit or not, what tires, how to gap for teammates, etc). It eliminates a lot of the franticness of SC pits, but that's just another opportunity for accidents anyway.
That's been the case for as long as I can remember. It's tact and courtesy, not censorship.foxmulder_ms wrote:What was about that censorship at the broadcast? They are so worried about the sterility of F1 they don't even show accidents now?
That used to be the case in F1, but they now have mandated delta so drivers have to slow down. Drivers are penalised for going too fast.johnsonwax wrote:No, the problem is that how SCs are handled in all forms of racing is that your first attention is how do I get back to pit as quickly as possible
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In that case, I guess I can rembemer a little longer...Richard wrote:That's been the case for as long as I can remember. It's tact and courtesy, not censorship.foxmulder_ms wrote:What was about that censorship at the broadcast? They are so worried about the sterility of F1 they don't even show accidents now?
It started May 1, 1994 after millions of people watched a F1 driver die.Richard wrote:That's been the case for as long as I can remember. It's tact and courtesy, not censorship.foxmulder_ms wrote:What was about that censorship at the broadcast? They are so worried about the sterility of F1 they don't even show accidents now?
Imo they could respectfully show a message genre " Driver J. Bianchi crashed heavy in turn X".Richard wrote:That's been the case for as long as I can remember. It's tact and courtesy, not censorship.foxmulder_ms wrote:What was about that censorship at the broadcast? They are so worried about the sterility of F1 they don't even show accidents now?
They usually show a distant view so people know something has happened, but they have the courtesy to the driver to not zoom in. Today we saw plenty of shots of the medics and marshalls rushing around at the scene, so we all knew something had happened.
Apparently they are slowed not enough. Also, does delta apply to double yellow? It should, but I'm not certain it is.Richard wrote:That used to be the case in F1, but they now have mandated delta so drivers have to slow down. Drivers are penalised for going too fast.johnsonwax wrote:No, the problem is that how SCs are handled in all forms of racing is that your first attention is how do I get back to pit as quickly as possible
Since the penalty is 5s, it's not much of a deterrent, and since we don't really know how its implemented does that ensure that drivers that slow due to an incident can't still resume normal speed and hit the pit lane still above the minimum time? That is, does it ensure a uniform speed reduction? I mean, the report is that Bianchi went in at 150kph. Mandated delta or no, it doesn't sound like he slowed very much, so what was his rush?Richard wrote:That used to be the case in F1, but they now have mandated delta so drivers have to slow down. Drivers are penalised for going too fast.
Don't they compare their sector times to previous laps or something like that to check they are actually going slower?timbo wrote:Apparently they are slowed not enough. Also, does delta apply to double yellow? It should, but I'm not certain it is.Richard wrote:That used to be the case in F1, but they now have mandated delta so drivers have to slow down. Drivers are penalised for going too fast.johnsonwax wrote:No, the problem is that how SCs are handled in all forms of racing is that your first attention is how do I get back to pit as quickly as possible
Hamilton said after the race that a double yellow means slow right down and be prepared to stop. At one point Kobayashi unlapped himself because Hamilton slowed accordingly and Kobayashi didn't (at the time the commentary thought LH had a problem such was the difference.timbo wrote:Apparently they are slowed not enough. Also, does delta apply to double yellow? It should, but I'm not certain it is.Richard wrote:That used to be the case in F1, but they now have mandated delta so drivers have to slow down. Drivers are penalised for going too fast.johnsonwax wrote:No, the problem is that how SCs are handled in all forms of racing is that your first attention is how do I get back to pit as quickly as possible
