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mrluke wrote:I read the first point as saying your 9,000 and 20,000mm2 areas can only be 100mm deep, i.e. a minimum width of 200mm at a point 150mm behind the tip.

I would agree with your interpretation of the 2nd point.

Interesting that only the 9,000mm2 cross section has a max width of 140, as soon as you are 51mm behind the tip it can be 330 wide? so mercedes could put a red bull horizontal tip at the end of their nose and it would pretty much be there?
That would be legal (IMO) . Behind 50mm behind the tip you can use the full 330mm.

The rules only concern the impact absorbing structure. But the vanity panel doesn't count as crash structure. So they can use the vanity panel to make a smooth transition from the 140mm width at 50mm behind the tip to the 330mm width at 150mm behind the tip, right?

The question is: IS the vaniy panel excluded from the 140mm width rule?

edit: another sloppy drawn picture: what you see is the cross-section of the impact absorbing structure in TOP VIEW(!) which is black. The first 50mm don't exceed 140mm in width but behind that the nose is 330mm wide. The sharp step is covered by the vaniy panel (ugly green). Image

Somehow i doubt that this shape has any advantage. The only advantage i can imagine is that the shape gets as flat as possible very early.

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That means an inverted-u-shaped nose might look like this :?:
Pillars are much thicker than the 2014 version.
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Either the first 50mm are 140mm wide/65mm thick, the next 10cm are 330mm wide and 28mm thick and the second section has the second inverted U shape Blanchimont has drawn
Or the first 100mm are 140mm wide/65mm thick and the second section has the inverted U shape Blanchimont has drawn

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McMrocks wrote: edit: another sloppy drawn picture: what you see is the cross-section of the impact absorbing structure in TOP VIEW(!) which is black. The first 50mm don't exceed 140mm in width but behind that the nose is 330mm wide. The sharp step is covered by the vaniy panel (ugly green). http://i.imgur.com/CwinFb5.jpg

Somehow i doubt that this shape has any advantage. The only advantage i can imagine is that the shape gets as flat as possible very early.
I dont see why it needs to be 140 wide at the tip, can curve to a nice point, as per the nose plan below, i.e. above the yellow bit. But a bit stubbier as its only 50mm long

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Blackout wrote:That means an inverted-u-shaped nose might look like this :?:
Pillars are much thicker than the 2014 version.
http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1643&u=14795526

Either the first 50mm are 140mm wide/65mm thick, the next 10cm are 330mm wide and 28mm thick and the second section has the second inverted U shape Blanchimont has drawn
Or the first 100mm are 140mm wide/65mm thick and the second section has the inverted U shape Blanchimont has drawn

this would be the ideal nose for w06 =P~

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They will just get around a lot of it with vanity panels, or at least, I hope they do! I hate this penis looking things at the front of the cars this year. I'm so glad Mercedes and Ferrari went a different route.

Don't even get me started on the Lotus nose... Looking forwards to their 2015 interpretation.
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2 Projects noses with legal measures of the new regulation




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So, this looks like a 2014 nose with the center of gravity of the cross section 50mm behind the tip located at 185mm, doesn't it?
Looks very cornered...

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SiLo
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God that still looks awful. But I guess it is a prototype. I can see how Ferrari and Mercedes won't have to make too many changes to get in line with the regs next year. Ferrari less so.
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This is from a company / team called Perrinn F1:

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What do you think of the hole in the front of the nose, would it be legal for 2015?

Source: http://www.perrinn.com/
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This article is born of the need to explain for good the talk of the anti-crash structures provided for the 2015 regulations. Many sites have spoken on this but there is little clarity.
We will try to throw the basics of one possible idea.
I only want specifics and will begin from the start:
The goal here is no to predict the final form that these structures will assume, but rather one helpful tool to figure out how which basic principles could be chosen that carry out over the winder to arrive at the result. The rest search to predict what will arrive could lead down different roads given that from person to person, ideas and strategies change considerably. Not only that but aerodynamic and structural knowledge should be present during the winter. Only being able to see the external parts of the car, we cannot be equipped with the data and indicators to see the evidence each team has from their experiments.

Read all herehttp://www.newsf1.it/formula-1-technica ... cture3006/

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I put a screen example with regard to the computational analysis of the two aerodynamic profiles to get an idea of what it means to CFD, so that you can know what I see every time I hear of it.

It sets the temperature, pressure, flow velocity, the volume control and the profile in order to obtain a kind of diagram of velocity around it. The program is then able to generate a FINAL REPORT which describes the various factors and data involved.

Read all http://www.newsf1.it/f1-nose-2015-front ... cture3007/

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So here is concept nose for 2015 by MCDesign. It seems pretty nice.

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erlik wrote:So here is concept nose for 2015 by MCDesign. It seems pretty nice.

http://wtf1.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/20 ... claren.jpg
Now that IS nice!!
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And looks very similar to the Merc nose. Maybe Merc should take note?
Once again this year, the best looking car has been fastest :P
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