Second best top speed?

[hollus]

The official top speed record in F1 is in Antonio Pizzonia's hands with 369.9km/h in Monza in 2004. We all know that the 2004 Williams did not have freak or compromised aero in any way.

Does anyone know what was the second best top speed? I guess this is a cuadruple question: Second best as including the same race and team, as in including the same race but not team, as in including the same team/season but not race and in not including the same race or team/season.

For reference, this year Riciardo hit 361km/h (DRS + double slipstream).
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU6cE-D0Ttg[/youtube]

[auaq]

Typo. Should be 369.9 km/h.

I think David Coulthard had a top speed record back in 1997 at Monza first. Then I believe Montoya broke that record in either 2002 or in 2003 which was nearly close to what Antonia has achieved.

[hollus]

Thanks, corrected.

[Ciro Pabón]

I don`t understand. Do you mean top lap average speed? I thought that was Montoya, same race, same year, 262 kph in practices, although I think somebody broke that record a couple of years ago, I don´t remember.

Or perhaps you mean top speed and is 369 instead of 269 kph for Pizzonia?

Frank Williams face at the end of the 262 kph lap is priceless
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M2lcReHz8A[/youtube]

Man, that sound. That sound...

Yeah, I know, stop complaining about the sound, and yes, I complain too much about the sound and, seriously, man, stop complaining about the freaking sound.

Anyway, that engine sounded good. The current engine sounds like popcorn... when it pops slowly.

[Ciro Pabón]

Oh, well, thanks, auaq, you spotted it first, while I was grinning hearing the sound... (I watched that lap like three times before hitting ¨Post¨).

I thought I was in an alternate reality, because Hollus is pretty reliable (hi, hollus!).

[bill shoe]

If we're looking for fastest overall lap and giving extra credit for long-ago eras, then I nominate Keke Rosberg's qualy lap at Silverstone 1985. Way back then he hit an average speed of more than 160 mph (258 kph). He did have gumball tires and qualy boost, but come on-- it was 1985! It was a smaller engine than today's $200 million wonders!

[Ciro Pabón]

True, Bill, that was something special.

Those were 1000 HP cars.

Senna demolished Rosberg at the start of that race.

[FW17]

1000+ HP is a myth created by Bernie and F1 commentators just like the $400 million budgets they talked about when in reality it was third of that and 600 million a race viewership.

[Just_a_fan]

If we're looking for fastest overall lap and giving extra credit for long-ago eras, then I nominate Keke Rosberg's qualy lap at Silverstone 1985. Way back then he hit an average speed of more than 160 mph (258 kph). He did have gumball tires and qualy boost, but come on-- it was 1985! It was a smaller engine than today's $200 million wonders!

And a very different circuit layout too. The modern circuit, like most others, has developed a rash of slow corner and chicanes designed specifically to slow the cars down.

In the race, only Prost was on the lead lap at the end. More than half of the field retired. Half of those that did finish were lapped more than once. Hardly an advertisement for the "pinnacle of motorsport"...

[Ciro Pabón]

1000+ HP is a myth created by Bernie and F1 commentators just like the $400 million budgets they talked about when in reality it was third of that and 600 million a race viewership.

Sure, Williams, if you say so, although it's the first time in the last 30 years I hear that those cars were underpowered.

However, how could we live without myths? Life would be horrible. We are where we are, with Ecclestone, commentators and myths.

We cannot change past, we can only change the future. Heck, we can barely change the future...

[wuzak]

Sure, Williams, if you say so, although it's the first time in the last 30 years I hear that those cars were underpowered.

If you are referring to this year's cars as being underpowered, David Coulthard certainly doesn't think so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 7ekrT6bTqo

[J.A.W.]

Actually C-P, I'd reckon that ol' Bernie is reading rote from the Winnie Churchill style guidebook..

Something along the lines of.. "F1 history will be kind to me, because I shall edit it.."

So are we really looking at a lap time converted to mean speed, or a speed trap peak reading?

[flmkane]

The official top speed record in F1 is in Antonio Pizzonia's hands with 369.9km/h in Monza in 2004. We all know that the 2004 Williams did not have freak or compromised aero in any way.

Wasn't 2004 the year of the Walrus Williams ?

[hollus]

Top speed, please, from the speed trap or recorded in any other way. There was a typo in the original post from a 3 to a 2, now corrected.
Yes, the 2004 Williams started the season with the walrus nose and mutated to a more conventional nose later on, which got me thinking that it was a bit of a frankenstein car and it might have ended with less downforce (and drag) than the team would have liked.
So in part I am just curious about whether this was a freak top speed or not, and about what was the effective top speed of a non-frankenstein car.

[Blanchimont]

372,6 km/h Montoya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Italian_Grand_Prix (this article http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 76086.html says the 372,6 km/h were recorded at a test)

370,1 km/h Raikonnen 2005 Monza http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 95788.html

Any official documents from the 2004 and 2005 race weekends?

Nice chart for Monza: http://www.formulapassion.it/2014/08/f1 ... -velocita/

So maybe the answer to your question is 369,9 km/h Pizzonia.