Second best top speed?

[hollus]

I knew I'd heard 37x by Montoya somewhere. And that 370.1 by Raikkonen would prove that It wasn't just the funny aero of a frankencar.

Cheers!

[variante]

In 2004 i was on the main straight during Monza's GP weekend. A BMW-Williams (can't remember which one) passed in front of me at over 380km/h.

[Juzh]

In 2004 i was on the main straight during Monza's GP weekend. A BMW-Williams (can't remember which one) passed in front of me at over 380km/h.

370 was the highest speed ever achieved during official F1 weekend.

[Ciro Pabón]

Maybe you were watching Indycar...

The fastest average speed over one lap is faster than the fastest top speed of an F1 car. The fastest lap clocked in history of open wheel racing belongs to Mauricio Gugelmin, 1994, California Speedway, with 390 kph.

http://espn.go.com/racing/indycar/story ... more-speed

The thrill of Indycars is that: speed. Compared with them, Formula One cars are slow ground huggers...

Montoya has the record for fastest top speed and fastest lap in F1, at 372 kph and 262 kph.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fo ... ce_records

He also has the record for fastest average race speed in the history of Indycar/CART, right this year, in July, at Pocono, with 360 kph.

http://morefrontwing.com/2014/07/06/mon ... at-pocono/

2014 IndyCar Pocono 500 Juan Pablo Montoya Pole Lap & Track Record, he went on to break the fastest racing average speed record of Jimmy Vasser in this same event

[andylaurence]

The fastest F1 car topped 400kph and I'm guessing it was a 2.4 V8.

[variante]

Maybe you were watching Indycar...

i'm quite sure indycars never raced in Monza

I know it sounds like an incredible speed, but it was clearly displayed on the big screen and celebrated by the commentator.
I guess the BMW-Williams driver was taking advantage of someone else's wake. I think the reason why it never went official is beacuse it was done during free practice, not during quali or race.

[mikeerfol]

Ι just checked the F1 site and the highest speed trap that year in practice was 365 from Barrichello.

[Blanchimont]

I know it sounds like an incredible speed, but it was clearly displayed on the big screen and celebrated by the commentator.

A google search for "Pizzonia 380,5" brings up some results in Italian. So, does anybody have a copy of the 2004 FP sessions, maybe the TV graphics show it, too?

Edit: What about the pre qualifying session?

[Ciro Pabón]

Well, yes, but in Yahoo Answers and some forums. There are Yahoo Answers that say that UFOs exist...

Exactly like variante post: we're limited to word of mouth.

I hope he could post a reference to a newspaper or something besides his word, if he's so kind (no disrespect intended), to change the Wikipedia article on F1 records.

[variante]

Hey Ciro, who knows? Maybe UFOs do exist!

BTW i looked for official reference in the past about that speed, but i couldn't find anything but unofficial claims (just like mine).

Personally, i haven't got great interest in F1 exact top speed in race conditions (you know...i'm already amazed when i see most of cars go well beyond 350km/h in race set up and without active aero...), therefore i haven't got great interest in spreading false informations about that...
Also, rememember that even if the 380 speed gets some "official" attestations, it will be "unofficial" anyway since it wasn't reached during qualifying/race (when cars are under regime of parc fermé and fully subjected to FIA regulations).

So, my advice is this: keep the 380+km/h speed as a potential speed that 2004 F1 car could actually reach in certain (realistic) conditions; take the 372km/h speed as the official one, the highest ever recorded during quali/race.

[MadMatt]

My sources say (during the race):

2001: J Alesi (363.2km/h)
2002: D Couthard (362.9km/h)
2003: M Schumacher (368.8km/h)
2004: A Pizzonia (369.9km/h)

I heard something about a 370 somewhere sometime, but never 380.

[Juzh]

So, my advice is this: keep the 380+km/h speed as a potential speed that 2004 F1 car could actually reach in certain (realistic) conditions; take the 372km/h speed as the official one, the highest ever recorded during quali/race.

Erhm.. how about no?
Honda did 400 kmh in their top speed test with a supposedly race legal car, still means nothing. Unless you've got any meaningful data (and you clearly don't), i'll stick with 370.1 for official highest during race weekend.

372 wasn't recorded during quali/race. You'd know that if you actually read the thread, or anything about F1.

[Ciro Pabón]

Hey Ciro, who knows? Maybe UFOs do exist!

Sure, they can exist. Actually, there is no proof they don´t exist, at least no proof that I know.

Repost!


That's why I mentioned Yahoo Answers: some people is POSITIVE UFOs exist. On the other hand, some people is POSITIVE they don't exist. I think both are mistaken.

You could say I'm a tad negative about being positive.

What if it was a conspiracy of the Italian commentator you mention? Maybe he had a grudge with Pizzonia. You know how those Italians are.

I believe they touched the issue in the XXX Files.

I'm sure it was around 38xxx kph


What if the thing revolves about the Da Vinci code?

Perhaps that´s what explain Monza: what if Da Vinci gave clues NOT in the Last Supper but in another picture, a picture that has been right under our noses the entire time.

The proof you ask, Juzh. This is a well known variant of the picture at The Louvre, seen in infrared for the first time: the Monza Lisa


On the other hand, engineering is all about distinguishing what's possible from what`s probable.

Under that assumption, the most probable working hypothesis is that UFOs do not exist and is also probable that I'm not going to change Wikipedia page on F1 records...

Darn.

[variante]

72 wasn't recorded during quali/race. You'd know that if you actually read the thread, or anything about F1.

yeah sorry, it was 370km/h...that totally justifies your reaction... I'm almost speachless, dude...

As i said before, the 380 is and will always be unofficial. What i can say is that i was there that day, in 2004 on the main straight. That's it. Clear enough?

You may argue that the displayed speed was the result of a bug, or maybe that day i was "under the influence", or simply ignore my words if you don't like unofficial statements or rumors...

(and Ciro, just to serve you some material for other great irony: "i wasn't the only one who saw that")

[Blanchimont]

variante, back in 2004, did other drivers come close to the 380 km/h barrier on the screen or was he the only one?