A new Formula One team, directed by NASCAR team owner Gene Haas has been permitted an entry to F1 in 2015, Haas and the FIA confirmed on Friday following a meeting of the World Motorsport Council at Morocco.
Huh? Teaming up with BMS Scuderia Italia from 88' til 92' doesn't count as relevant?WilliamsF1 wrote:They have no relevant f1 experience, price has nothing to do with it.
Sebp wrote:Huh? Teaming up with BMS Scuderia Italia from 88' til 92' doesn't count as relevant?WilliamsF1 wrote:They have no relevant f1 experience, price has nothing to do with it.
Btw. watching highlights from those years, I never came across any pundit calling that team BMS or Scuderia or what have you. It is always referred to as Dallara.
Richard wrote:Dallara have the advantage of supporting of several open wheel race series so they should have the basic design, production and support process figured out. So that will mean Haas won't be starting from a blank sheet, he can rely on Dallara getting a car to the grid. Obviously getting it competitive is another matter altogether!
None of the companies mentioned have the relevant experience at the level required for F1. It simply doesn't exist outside F1 or perhaps the top LMP teams (Audi/Toyota/Porsche), mainly because no-one would want to pay what it would cost to buy it in any normal commercial way.WilliamsF1 wrote:Richard wrote:Dallara have the advantage of supporting of several open wheel race series so they should have the basic design, production and support process figured out. So that will mean Haas won't be starting from a blank sheet, he can rely on Dallara getting a car to the grid. Obviously getting it competitive is another matter altogether!
Totally agree with you. Haas should keep Swift Engineering and Élan Motorsport Technologies as options.
In fairness, as said before on this thread, Paddock gossip even before Marussia went bust was that Haas were going to take their place as Ferrari's junior team. Clearly Ferrari won't just give them everything, but the internals, technical support & Marciello will surely be heavily subsidised.WilliamsF1 wrote:I have my doubts whenever he goes out and says that he is waiting for Ferrari to hand them the cars without a skin (which i am quiet sure is not going to happen)
As said Dallara built cars for HRT, as well as being very experienced at building spec series cars and also Indycars which run differing engines.Chuckjr wrote:How much experience does Dallara really have in F1? Do they have any specialty departments which have participated in F1 pre 2015?
Do I understand correctly that basically the entire car is a Ferrari but Dallara will provide all bodywork? Would this include the actual packaging of the internals like power, radiators, exhaust, electronics, etc or does Dallara shape these internal packaging options as a part of their forming the aero package? Or, are all internals dictated by Ferrari and Dallara simply slips the skin on?
It does in a way. The more your willing to pay the more they will spend making/developing that car. HRT were on a low budget and got a simple car with one aero package for the whole year. Pay them more and i bet you get a better car and more upgrades - is what I meant. How that is relative to the rest of the field is another matter.WilliamsF1 wrote:They have no relevant f1 experience, price has nothing to do with it.astracrazy wrote:**cough** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispania_F110 **cough**Chuckjr wrote:Sorry for the noob questions.
How much experience does Dallara really have in F1? Do they have any specialty departments which have participated in F1 pre 2015?
although we must remember, they can only build a car to the price you are willing to pay - you get what you pay for
in all seriousness they have some experience, but not recent (excluding 2010). They also make GP2 cars, GP3, World Series by Renault and Indy. So in terms of open wheel cars they have a lot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallara
Let us take the current logic of how f1 works....astracrazy wrote: It does in a way. The more your willing to pay the more they will spend making/developing that car. HRT were on a low budget and got a simple car with one aero package for the whole year. Pay them more and i bet you get a better car and more upgrades - is what I meant. How that is relative to the rest of the field is another matter.
I've never once suggested anything to do with Haas going with Dallara?WilliamsF1 wrote:Let us take the current logic of how f1 works....astracrazy wrote: It does in a way. The more your willing to pay the more they will spend making/developing that car. HRT were on a low budget and got a simple car with one aero package for the whole year. Pay them more and i bet you get a better car and more upgrades - is what I meant. How that is relative to the rest of the field is another matter.
Caterham was a start up with no f1 experience. had 400 staff (all with current f1 experience) in for 2011 had a decent budget of around $100 million to build a backmarker and could not produce a backmarker. Caterham 2011 car would not have been any better had the budget been $200 million or $50 million.
Put the same logic on Dallara, what is it that would inspire confidence in Haas that Dallara would be better with 250 employees (with no f1 experience)???
=D> ....... [-o< ........just forget itWilliamsF1 wrote:Well if I had an open cheque book I would not ask the guy who built this
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to build this
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