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modbaraban
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It wasn't too much of a zero keel too... it looked like a tiny single keelie :lol:

Cant see keels now anyways... lets fin a better view :P

mx_tifoso
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siskue2005 wrote:
mahesh248 wrote:guess the nose it totally changed and the car is not more zero keel , the lower wing profiles are adjusted, new winglets and stuff , hope it helps the car go faster ..
i said that few posts ago.... that the whole nose near the cockpit aswell is changed :shock:
it seems that its Twin Keel ??? :?:
Where do both of you get this information from? Is it from a credible source? Or are you just saying random false comments like publications linking Kimi to Toyota?

Please back up your info on this please. Especially on the removal of the Zero-Keel, or the change to a Twin-Keel.
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Sorry o back track a little bit, but the Mclaren sidepod...somebody said "best you $10 a merc goes yp in smoke" or something allong those lines. Somebody else said something like "Can they keep the air pressure in the sidepod".

If the inside of the duct is divergent wouldn't that improve how efficient this sidepod opening is? Any thoughts?
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mx_tifosi wrote:
siskue2005 wrote:
mahesh248 wrote:guess the nose it totally changed and the car is not more zero keel , the lower wing profiles are adjusted, new winglets and stuff , hope it helps the car go faster ..
i said that few posts ago.... that the whole nose near the cockpit aswell is changed :shock:
it seems that its Twin Keel ??? :?:
Where do both of you get this information from? Is it from a credible source? Or are you just saying random false comments like publications linking Kimi to Toyota?

Please back up your info on this please. Especially on the removal of the Zero-Keel, or the change to a Twin-Keel.
thats why we say "I guess" , " i think " and there are a lot of Query marks!!!
We say that we think!!....Its just our opinion!
So plz be cool :wink:

mahesh248
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i second that

DaveKillens
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Spencifer_Murphy wrote:If the inside of the duct is divergent wouldn't that improve how efficient this sidepod opening is? Any thoughts?
The usual rule for duct openings is that they are smaller in area than the radiators they service. The high velocity air enters the duct opening, then there is a divergent passage to increase the area, and thus slow the velocity. Then, this slower moving air passes through the radiator at a velocity that is optimum for the transfer of heat energy from hot radiator fins to cooler air. Remember, you have to give the process a bit of time for heat transfer, and blasting a high velocity air stream through the radiator really isn't as efficient as slowing the air down.

modbaraban
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modbaraban wrote:It wasn't too much of a zero keel too... it looked like a tiny single keelie :lol:

Cant see keels now anyways... lets fin a better view :P
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ben_watkins
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better picture of Ferrari's new front wheel discs

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Picture of the F1 2007 I took at Silverstone this week..

The front disks were not on the car for the first 2 days of the test and only came out when Felipe Massa was driving the car.. both Kimi and Luca Badoer drove the car without them..

The other thing to note was the disk didn't appear to be moving with the wheel, as the gap near the bottom right of the disk stayed where it was.. All the shots I have of it show it in the same spot.

No other car had these discs on the front wheel.. I'd be surprised if the FIA allow them to be used in a race..

Massa had two excursions into the gravel traps during the day but still posted the fastest time of any driver over the 3 days.. and the weather was blustery and showery!
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mahesh248
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i think the pace has considerably improved , the car looks better

Saribro
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Re: better picture of Ferrari's new front wheel discs

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ben_watkins wrote:No other car had these discs on the front wheel.. I'd be surprised if the FIA allow them to be used in a race..
They allow it on the rear wheels...

scarbs
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I saw the Ferrari wheel covers, they are very impressive. They do indeed stay still while the wheel rotates, leaving the slot open from a 4 to six oclock position on the wheel. the covers come off with the wheel nut and need special adaptors added to the wheel guns. I've got some sneaky pictures of the set up and will post once I download the pics off my Camera.

I am sure they wil be banned the moment they arrive at a race, or more likely just after winning a race to remove the points they've won.....!

Scarbs...

PS also new at the test....

Ferrari: Renault-like cockpit wings
McLaren: Ferrari-like rear wing, new front wing
Toyota: BMW-like humped engien cover
Williams: new front wing with flatter bi plane element, new FWEPs, tyre temp camera pod
RedBull: revised bargeboards

and
row brewing over Aguri and Honda rear wings

ben_watkins
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scarbs wrote: PS also new at the test....

Ferrari: Renault-like cockpit wings
McLaren: Ferrari-like rear wing, new front wing
Toyota: BMW-like humped engien cover
Williams: new front wing with flatter bi plane element, new FWEPs, tyre temp camera pod
RedBull: revised bargeboards
I've got a pic of each car, so I'll post them tonight, when I get home from work!

I saw the McLaren guys stopping any of the acredited photographers from taking a picture of the back of the car in the pits..

PS - the McLarens suffered 2 engine failures in the test, one for Pedro and one for Alonso.. I think they were testing new engine developments too..

FLC
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Here is Kimi testing the front freesbies:

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The little wings near the brake inlets were always there.
Looking at other pictures, I don't think they've made any changes to the keel, that's far too big a change to make. Everything down there looks the same, but I guess they've made some modifications to the suspension. On day 1 and 2 they were testing those bulky arms, but I cant find any pictures of Massa testing them. Ferrari were pretty proud of the aerodynamic qualities of their former design, so maybe they found these new ones a lot less efficient.
Also there aren't any less of those cooling slots on the back of the car, but the exhausts looks a little bit longer, tho. I'm not sure about it.
Front and Rear wings are those from before the NA tour.

I might be mistaken but I think Ferrari said that some part of the new aerodynamic package would be a totally different way of setting up the car. That's prob. a little bit harder to notice. And ofcourse there is the update for the engine that Massa was talking about.

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scarbs wrote: row brewing over Aguri and Honda rear wings
haha, one guess that is because the wings they used in Canada and America were the same rear wings used last year for Canada..

If people remeber the race before there was abit of confusion abotu the flexy wings, a team ( i forget ) had a wing which appeard to be flexing somehow, and the FIA said it was ok, so for the Canadian GP the RA107 tested in Monza special rear wings, which seemed to be deemed legal..

But just before the Canadian race, the rules were changed again, and I think the rear wing Honda eventually used was a quick fix.. and its the same one they used last year...

modbaraban
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scarbs wrote:I've got some sneaky pictures of the set up and will post once I download the pics off my Camera.
any news on this? :D