2014-2020 Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

[Blackout]

...And if BTE is 40% and heat value is 43,2 then this engine needs a fuel rate of 155kg/h to reach 1000ps ?
And max RPM would be 16500 if we take this formula into concideration: Q (kg/h) = 0.009 N(rpm)+ 5.5 ?

[Juzh]

James Allen reporting that the 2014 engines have 900hp all things combined.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/01/e ... a-on-2015/

If that's true then V10s were pushing 1200 minimum. 2014 acceleration is no match for V10s by a long, long shot. I honestly don't believe this 900 hp stuff.

[dren]

James Allen reporting that the 2014 engines have 900hp all things combined.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/01/e ... a-on-2015/

If that's true then V10s were pushing 1200 minimum. 2014 acceleration is no match for V10s by a long, long shot. I honestly don't believe this 900 hp stuff.

That's over 40% efficiency for the ICE alone with good fuel.

[Juzh]

Example: raikkonen was doing 324 over the start/finish line in monza 2005 with half a race worth of fuel, so pretty much similar weight to 2014 quali car. Compared to DRSed bottas at 317 in 2014.
S1 speed trap 342 kmh in 2005, 330 in 2014 without DRS. There's just no contest.
900bhp is BS imo.

[kooleracer]

James Allen reporting that the 2014 engines have 900hp all things combined.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/01/e ... a-on-2015/

If that's true then V10s were pushing 1200 minimum. 2014 acceleration is no match for V10s by a long, long shot. I honestly don't believe this 900 hp stuff.

James Allen says:
January 9, 2015 at 10:47 am
A good source, it’s a rough figure for the best performing engine in the field of course

Andy Cowell: ''#F1 Current internal cumbustion engines would easily reach 1600HP even with 100kg/h fuel flow limit if they were 100% thermal effective.''

56.25 TE = 900bhp that is obviously crazy.
50 TE = 800bhp would be a really great achievement. But maybe the hybrid combined with the ICE is more efficient then we can imagine.

[dren]

James Allen's reply on his site as to where the 900hp figure came from:

James Allen says:
January 9, 2015 at 10:47 am
A good source, it’s a rough figure for the best performing engine in the field of course

Edit - looks like you beat me too it kool...

[dren]

Example: raikkonen was doing 324 over the start/finish line in monza 2005 with half a race worth of fuel, so pretty much similar weight to 2014 quali car. Compared to DRSed bottas at 317 in 2014.
S1 speed trap 342 kmh in 2005, 330 in 2014 without DRS. There's just no contest.
900bhp is BS imo.

Aren't they limited to one set of gear ratios for the year? I would guess due to that limit, Monza speeds would be lower than they could otherwise be.

[Juzh]

Gear ratios don't play a major role in acceleration anymore. Case in point mercedes: long/short gears --> no difference. Been discused loads of time already.

[pgfpro]

According to German Auto Motor und Sport some of the technical items on the discussion table were, “the position of the wastegate valve in the exhaust tract, the diameter of the tail pipe and the number of turbochargers and the question of a second turbo

I would love to see a second turbo added to the equation. From my own personal experience I built on my car a twin turbo "high pressure/low pressure turbo compound system, with a lean-burn stratified charge.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.p ... 28776.html

IMO I think F1 could increase their efficiency numbers even more, if they ran a high pressure/low pressure turbo compound system. This would improve engine delta p numbers!!! They also would use less battery power to spool the turbo because of the use of the small turbine/compressor high pressure turbo helps a ton by reducing turbo lag. I'm seeing full boost 55psi at 4000rpm on my 2.0L compound system.

[PlatinumZealot]

From the comments:

grifle: "James, I am interested in where you heard the 900hp figure. We are having a heated discussion on f1technical over the horsepower output of the ICE and ERS systems."

James Allen: "A good source, it’s a rough figure for the best performing engine in the field of course"

haha. thanks for finding my question! I was looking for it. Seems Jame's replied.

[PlatinumZealot]

900hp ---> 740hp witout KERS ---> if fuel heat content is 43,2MJ/kg then efficiency = 45% !?

you forget the MGU-H!

so it is ICE + MGUH = 760hp.

[PlatinumZealot]

According to German Auto Motor und Sport some of the technical items on the discussion table were, “the position of the wastegate valve in the exhaust tract, the diameter of the tail pipe and the number of turbochargers and the question of a second turbo

I would love to see a second turbo added to the equation. From my own personal experience I built on my car a twin turbo "high pressure/low pressure turbo compound system, with a lean-burn stratified charge.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.p ... 28776.html

IMO I think F1 could increase their efficiency numbers even more, if they ran a high pressure/low pressure turbo compound system. This would improve engine delta p numbers!!! They also would use less battery power to spool the turbo because of the use of the small turbine/compressor high pressure turbo helps a ton by reducing turbo lag. I'm seeing full boost 55psi at 4000rpm on my 2.0L compound system.

That is a crazy engine you have there. Sounds more powerful than a current F1 engine. Instead of two turbos they can use variable vane turbos as well. This is legal in WEC but not legal in F1 at the moment.

[mrluke]

James Allen reporting that the 2014 engines have 900hp all things combined.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/01/e ... a-on-2015/

If that's true then V10s were pushing 1200 minimum. 2014 acceleration is no match for V10s by a long, long shot. I honestly don't believe this 900 hp stuff.

DC was really impressed with the power of the 2014 cars when he drove one, I can't see him saying that if the V10s were ~500bhp/t lower.

[Moose]

It's kinda crazy. The number of people who keep coming out saying that the engines are around the 900 Hp range, or around the 40% range for the ICE... These are the numbers that keep getting repeated again and again by all kinds of F1 engineers. Yet so many of the forum's members keep trying to assert "no, they're only 550/700hp because I don't believe them".

I don't believe them is not a reason it's wrong.

[rscsr]

A story doesn't necessarily have to be true to be believed, it just needs to be told.

But on the other hand, I believe RET and they published about the same power as 2013.