Alonso's Crash

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Richard wrote:
Thefuelman wrote:Considering that the hospital stay has now increased to 2 days and possibly more... Eric Boulliers comments give a lot away aswell.
err... Mclaren said he would be under observation for 24 hours due to concussion after a 30g crash. That's routine. How did you get to 2 days?

Also please can you quote the bit where Boullier gives away the secret of the electrical shock?
As stated by Spanish press caution procedure in Spain is between 24 and 48 hours, so just be patient.

Also wind can be the real reason as sainz had same problem on same turn

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Del wrote:
db__ wrote:According to Autosport's Ben Anderson the reason for the crash was pretty mundane:
Fernando Alonso's unfortunate crash on the final morning - caused by the double world champion over-correcting a snap of oversteer after running wide on the exit of Turn 3
Obviously not as exciting as a good conspiracy but the truth rarely is.
I think that Vettel would've suggest that if he saw it,given the fact that he was right behind him,and experienced enough to recognize such a mistake. I still think that there was some mechanical failure.
Anybody else feeling this whole Senna vibe?

"Senna is too good to have made a mistake, it must be blacked out/car failure/bottomed out etc"

"Alonso is too good to have made a mistake, it must be blacked out/car failure/bottomed out and ERS got him"

Then we have this young German upstart behind who sees the accident, makes a comment about it and people start ripping the German Champs words apart.

Its actually quite amusing to see these parallels, and I wonder if this is what the message boards were like in May 94...

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Thefuelman wrote:Considering that the hospital stay has now increased to 2 days and possibly more we can say its safe to say it was an electrical shock. Rumour mill is in full swing now but I think what we saw yesterday was a driver getting a heavy electrical shock, slewing the car over to the wll to get everything shut off. Eric Boulliers comments give a lot away aswell. The fact that Mclaren have decided to end the test early despite have not running the car near its full potential kinda tells the story of a major tech review on safety grounds.
Considering that the hospital stay has now increased to 2 days and possibly more we can say its safe to say Alonso is 3 months pregnant, Eric Boullier`s comments revealed Ron Dennis is the father and it all happened in hotel during Japanese GP. On the kerb at the exit of turn 3 there was The Eye of Providence (Freemasons) and the tyre marks on the wall is shaped like a number 666 (6 tenths Alonso brought to McLaren, 6th on the time sheets, 6 laps they`re going to do in Melbourne).

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Richard wrote:I'm sorry that a straight forward statement from the TP wasn't enough for you.

On your logic whatever they do or say will confirm the conspiracy hysteria. Why stick with epilepsy? The same logic works for kidnapping by aliens:
  • If they say nothing then that infers they refuse to deny he was kidnapped by aliens.
  • If they say he was not kidnapped by aliens then that shows there is a cover up.
  • If a rational person says kidnapping by aliens is ludicrous, then show me the evidence that aliens don't exist.
The dull boring reality is that yesterday was the end of the test so they'll look at the car and telemetry in their own time.
Just to clarify, I was really wondering if it could be that (epileptic), I think the reason we don't hear from McLaren is because they don't know themselves with certainty what caused the crash.

The reasons I was considering it is because he was completly of the chart after his crash, we don't really have an mechanical explenation and since he has a concussion they probably can't run any test on him to verify the epilepsy (if he had it, normal people can get an attack too.)

But let just close this possible explanation. :wink:
Thank you really doesn't really describe enough what I feel. - Vettel

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ChrisF1 wrote:
Anybody else feeling this whole Senna vibe?

"Senna is too good to have made a mistake, it must be blacked out/car failure/bottomed out etc"

"Alonso is too good to have made a mistake, it must be blacked out/car failure/bottomed out and ERS got him"

Then we have this young German upstart behind who sees the accident, makes a comment about it and people start ripping the German Champs words apart.

Its actually quite amusing to see these parallels, and I wonder if this is what the message boards were like in May 94...
For me it is more like Massa´s accident, when he was hit by a spring, blacked out and crashed.
Alonso crashed inside the turn, not outside.

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I wasn't talking about the crash itself, more the hysterics and co-incidence that surrounds both.

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Felipe 92 wrote:
Thefuelman wrote:Considering that the hospital stay has now increased to 2 days and possibly more we can say its safe to say it was an electrical shock. Rumour mill is in full swing now but I think what we saw yesterday was a driver getting a heavy electrical shock, slewing the car over to the wll to get everything shut off. Eric Boulliers comments give a lot away aswell. The fact that Mclaren have decided to end the test early despite have not running the car near its full potential kinda tells the story of a major tech review on safety grounds.
Considering that the hospital stay has now increased to 2 days and possibly more we can say its safe to say Alonso is 3 months pregnant, Eric Boullier`s comments revealed Ron Dennis is the father and it all happened in hotel during Japanese GP. On the kerb at the exit of turn 3 there was The Eye of Providence (Freemasons) and the tyre marks on the wall is shaped like a number 666 (6 tenths Alonso brought to McLaren, 6th on the time sheets, 6 laps they`re going to do in Melbourne).
Very funny, but its more than strange to stay two days in the hospital after such a "normal" accident. I am not supporting any paranoia around this accident, but some details are not very normal/usual.

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Vasconia wrote:Very funny, but its more than strange to stay two days in the hospital after such a "normal" accident. I am not supporting any paranoia around this accident, but some details are not very normal/usual.
Of course it's strange. But in no way does it point to an electrocution incident. Maybe he's a little more concussed than normal. Maybe his heart rate is abnormally elevated. Maybe he's a little more tired than normal. Maybe there are countless other symptoms that could be going on that could cause him to be kept in for an extra day.

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http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/48737/ ... -una-gomma

according to omnicorse, there is only 1 tyre sign on tarmac, so he did brake but only 1 side worked...

They also speculate about a problem on steering or on suspension (why he did not change direction?)

Finally, they report that Alonso felt a "tracion" on his vertebral column that scaried him very much

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ChrisF1 wrote:
Del wrote:....
Anybody else feeling this whole Senna vibe?

"Senna is too good to have made a mistake, it must be blacked out/car failure/bottomed out etc"

"Alonso is too good to have made a mistake, it must be blacked out/car failure/bottomed out and ERS got him"

Then we have this young German upstart behind who sees the accident, makes a comment about it and people start ripping the German Champs words apart.

Its actually quite amusing to see these parallels, and I wonder if this is what the message boards were like in May 94...
You got me wrong... Everybody makes mistakes... it doesn't matter how much experience you have,or how good are you at something,you can always make a mistake. What I ment ,and what I stand for is that given the information we have in my personal view it's probably caused of some failure (maybe the strong wind,but how come vettel didn't said nothing about it).And yes I trully believe that all drivers in F1 are the best at driving and understanding driving... regardless of which one I cheer for, I believe they are all really good at what they do.It's all speculations and I just shared my personal view... that's it. We may learn new facts later on,that will support that he made a mistake,or the other way arround...I dunno. Based upon a few pics and a testemony from the closest eyewitness this is what I'm keen to believe (lol).

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Official statement from Mclaren. Should be enough for us.
Further update regarding Fernando Alonso
Posted on Monday, 23 Feb 2015 15:25 (GMT)

Statement from McLaren-Honda

Barcelona, February 23rd

We are pleased to confirm that, having been involved in an on-track incident at the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya (Spain) on February 22nd, Fernando Alonso is making a solid recovery in hospital, and is chatting to family, friends and hospital staff.

From the scene of the incident he was driven to the circuit’s medical centre, where he was given first aid and, as per normal procedures, was sedated in preparation for an air-lift to hospital.

In hospital a thorough and complete analysis of his condition was performed, involving CT scans and MRI scans, all of which were completely normal.

In order to provide the privacy and tranquillity required to facilitate a peaceful recuperation, he is being kept in hospital for further observation, and to recover from the effects of the medication that successfully managed his routine sedation yesterday.

We intend to give him every opportunity to make a rapid and complete recovery, and will evaluate in due course whether or not he will participate in the next Barcelona test.

Over the past 24 hours, we have been carrying out a detailed analysis of the damage to Fernando’s car, and its associated telemetry data, in order fully to understand the cause, or causes, of his accident. Even at this early stage, we have been able to reach some firm conclusions.

His car ran wide at the entry to Turn Three – which is a fast uphill right-hander – allowing it to run onto the Astroturf that lines the outside of the track. A consequent loss of traction caused a degree of instability, spitting it back towards the inside of the circuit, where it regained traction and struck the wall side-on.

Our findings indicate that the accident was caused by the unpredictably gusty winds at that part of the circuit at that time, and which had affected other drivers similarly (eg, Carlos Sainz Jnr).

We can categorically state that there is no evidence that indicates that Fernando’s car suffered mechanical failure of any kind. We can also confirm that absolutely no loss of aerodynamic pressure was recorded, which fact indicates that the car did not suffer any aerodynamic loss, despite the fact that it was subjected to a significant level of g-force. Finally, we can also disclose that no electrical discharge or irregularity of any kind occurred in the car’s ERS system, either before, during or after the incident.

That last point refutes the erroneous rumours that have spread recently to the effect that Fernando was rendered unconscious by an electrical fault. That is simply not true. Our data clearly shows that he was downshifting while applying full brake pressure right up to the moment of the first impact – something that clearly would not have been possible had he been unconscious at the time.

Our data also confirms that Fernando’s car struck the inside concrete wall, first with its front-right wheel and then with its rear-right. It was a significant lateral impact, resulting in damage to the front upright and axle.

After the initial impact, the car slid down the wall for about 15 seconds before coming to a halt. All four wheels remained attached to the car, but no damage was sustained by the bodywork or crash structure between the front and rear wheels.

We wish Fernando a very speedy recovery. As and when we have further updates to share, we will of course do so.

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Good to see him smiling. Some of the theories here made me cringe though. Armchair experts.
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Finally a complete statement giving some interesting explanations.

I have some doubts about the level of the G-forces involved in the accident and how a theoretically "slow" accident affected Alonso so much, but I am sure that more than one will be able to explain it here.

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Strange that they state that the cause was a gust of wind while claiming that there was no loss in aerodynamic pressure...
Not the engineer at Force India