Alonso's Crash

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Manoah2u wrote:So seems like a unlucky gathering of unpleasent circumstances.

I can understand the whole ERS-electroshock buzz going around though. It was taken a bit too far, but there is some reasoning to it; the MP4-30 since first testing seemed to have problems on having the electrical units working together with the 'classic' ICE unit. They had to investigate and find a solution. Offcourse, this raises attention to Mclaren's electrical systems. Also, there were some rumours that Mclaren did not run with ERS at all at times - again, more food to have people's minds 'caught' in electrical issues with the new highly anticipated Mclaren.
Given the fact a freak accident occured and there were some unlogical explenations, people try to find a logical answer to an illogical event. Reports that a driver was unconscious and the car seemed uncontrollable are other 'coals' to the fire that is the idea of a 'electroshock' issue. Above all; electroshock is not entirely impossible.

So i can understand the ideas and theories of electroshock, because there seemed no logical explenations at the time.

As for the actual truth; it was a simple freak accident indeed.
Gushing winds can have quite hefty effects on moving vehicles, anybody that ever drove a car when having huge sidewinds will agree. It doesn't matter if it's a big or a small car, you'll feel it vividly. It hits the most when overtaking a freight truck; aside the car there is no issue [because the truck catches the wind] but then you pass it and suddenly you get a hit at the steering wheel because of the sidewind suddenly catching your car. Same when driving on the freeway when there are soundbarriers and then entering an open field.

Thus, wind effects do play a big role. Sudden unexpected winds are indeed hard to respond to. F1 cars are aimed at aerodynamics, thus are hugely effected by aerodynamic 'changes'. Winds have huge effects on F1 cars, thus a sudden change will cause a big effect.

As for arguments as "how can a wind be of effect when they recorded no aerodynamic loss" ; because the Macca never had aerodynamic loss; it's the opposite; it was given sudden aerodynamic 'overdose'.

The tire mark isn't that weird either, it's not uncommon that just 1 wheel locks up under braking; it was an 'inside' wheel lockup, gravity affects F1 cars too thus turning to the right generates more load on the outer wheels compared to the inner wheels.

It is not neccesarily illogical that Fernando did not respond to marshalls initially. He does not have to be unconscious.

Have you ever had a deeply stinging pain in your body? I have, and like Fernando, to the back vertebraes. It's one of the most extreme pains and nerve overdoses you can experience. I had a stinging pain in the back and it took up all my attention and i did not notice a single thing happening around me. People talking to me or asking me something, responding to the visible pain on my face. Untill the overload of nerve 'messeges' sent to the brain get less, then the mind can respond to the surroundings better.

It's logical in back pain circumstances to avoid straining the body. thus getting help to get out of the vehicle isn't odd either.

Additionaly, it's logical to be checkup in the hospital. First of all out of standard procedures, next because of possbile concerns for whatever reason.

It's good to see Fernando smile. Glad this thing is over now.

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Manoah2u wrote: I can understand the whole ERS-electroshock buzz going around though. It was taken a bit too far, but there is some reasoning to it; the MP4-30 since first testing seemed to have problems on having the electrical units working together with the 'classic' ICE unit.
Sadly, I think there are people who hate the hybrid nature of the power units today and were hoping for a reason to have them removed. Rumours about electrocution were only to try to make ERS look bad. Such is the variety of human nature.

It's good to see Alonso in good shape in that photo.
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I think it was also helped by the recent defective seal issues Honda has been having.

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acosmichippo wrote:I think it was also helped by the recent defective seal issues Honda has been having.
Also speculative press that need to fill up 24h of coverage eg sky, Ted was one of the first tweeting about it and on his last notebook was kind of "we don't know but electroshock is a possibility but we don't know" they could just report the reality which was nonone really knew and wait for reports, instead of fiding trolls and bring audiences thanks to speculative news as the sun does as well as Bild

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To be fair, Ted did seek out a Renault engineer who said an ERS shock to the driver was basically impossible.

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 66#p562466

But I agree journalists should be reporting from sources to the audience, not vice versa.

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acosmichippo wrote:To be fair, Ted did seek out a Renault engineer who said an ERS shock to the driver was basically impossible.

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 66#p562466

But I agree journalists should be reporting from sources to the audience, not vice versa.
I give him the credit to have spoken with Renault and stop the rumour, but start the note book mentioning the possibility confirmed or not is to add more wood to the fire, thanks God the coverage wasn't done by Herbert and Brundle otherwise the foult might have been by rosberg 0_-

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Can anyone (medically trained?) comment on the sedation for the helicopter ride? To me this seems like a serious thing to do for apparently no reason?

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I was wondering if F1 should take safety procedures towards windspeed. Just like others say how a huge sidewind can affect your driving on a daily basis, think of F1 cars who are probably almost half times as light as a small hatchback. F1 cars generate downforce by sophisticated aerodynamic parts. Some say F1 cars have the opposites aerodynamics of airplanes. So I believe huge wind speeds can dramatically affect the handling of F1 cars and sometimes can cause a life threatening situation. I think the FIA should look into this.

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WaikeCU wrote:I was wondering if F1 should take safety procedures towards windspeed. Just like others say how a huge sidewind can affect your driving on a daily basis, think of F1 cars who are probably almost half times as light as a small hatchback. F1 cars generate downforce by sophisticated aerodynamic parts. Some say F1 cars have the opposites aerodynamics of airplanes. So I believe huge wind speeds can dramatically affect the handling of F1 cars and sometimes can cause a life threatening situation. I think the FIA should look into this.
And than what? Should the FIA install "wind-screens" on the track edges? :lol: :wink:
You can not do much about this natural phenomenon..

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George-Jung wrote:
WaikeCU wrote:I was wondering if F1 should take safety procedures towards windspeed. Just like others say how a huge sidewind can affect your driving on a daily basis, think of F1 cars who are probably almost half times as light as a small hatchback. F1 cars generate downforce by sophisticated aerodynamic parts. Some say F1 cars have the opposites aerodynamics of airplanes. So I believe huge wind speeds can dramatically affect the handling of F1 cars and sometimes can cause a life threatening situation. I think the FIA should look into this.
And than what? Should the FIA install "wind-screens" on the track edges? :lol: :wink:
You can not do much about this natural phenomenon..
+2. it was a freak gush wind in a corner, alonso probably came out of wind protection of the barriers and struck a bad wind.

it's part of racing, i don't know if 150 was fast for the corner, you might argue that it could have been safer if he had driven faster because the energy carried with a higher speed might have lessened the effect of the wind.

and i wouldn't think too much of FIA and weather safety. Just think about Japan 2014. In all reality, that race never should have started. At the most, it should have been ended at least 15 laps before it was too late [you know what i mean].
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Hi guys, I'm new, cool forum! News in Spain suggest gusty winds blew the car into the wall and I think its the most probable. Firstly is the speed, 150km/h would not produce full downforce so the weight of the car is approx 700-800Kg. The corner is uphill so wind would also pass under the tray of the car. Gusts of wind on the car and over correction from the driver would kind of break traction sending him into the wall. The cars also have a lot vertical surfaces which would act as sails... It all adds up, even the 30G impact could be explained by the added lateral load on the car slamming it into the wall, causing a very concust Alonso. Alonso is a Mega-Celebrity in Spain and I'm sure all services are at his disposal and the Hospital is taking extra care or want to keep Alonso for another day :P
The only witness Vettel, when he says "it was strange" I think what he means is that the car seemed to be crabbing sideways, making it look weird?

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I´ll say it, i f*cking love Taki Inoue.
https://twitter.com/takiinoue/status/569969844378075136 an absolute legend :)
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Hi,

First of all: I have no idea and no settled opinion, what actually happened, BUT:

I recognize myself, that I actually don't believe at all, what this Boullier/Dennis-combo is releasing - I have a HUGE, fundamental distrust against them...

I wonder, if this comes from all the lastest lies regarding dates of announcement of sponsors (since2013...), driver line-ups, liveries etc... ;)

When I was young in the late 80ies, McLaren was the acme of respectability.. all gone... completely... It's a shame... :(

Does anybody else feel the same...?

Jan

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Callum wrote:Can anyone (medically trained?) comment on the sedation for the helicopter ride? To me this seems like a serious thing to do for apparently no reason?
It's not uncommon to sedate people for medical transport. Since I read Alonso was in shock after the accident it seems logical to me.

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JanF1 wrote:Hi,

First of all: I have no idea and no settled opinion, what actually happened, BUT:

I recognize myself, that I actually don't believe at all, what this Boullier/Dennis-combo is releasing - I have a HUGE, fundamental distrust against them...

I wonder, if this comes from all the lastest lies regarding dates of announcement of sponsors (since2013...), driver line-ups, liveries etc... ;)

When I was young in the late 80ies, McLaren was the acme of respectability.. all gone... completely... It's a shame... :(

Does anybody else feel the same...?

Jan
no.

better take off that tin foil hat
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