Mclaren MP4-30 Honda

[kaido]

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[turbof1]

According to autosport, mclaren will bring their own seal of the mgu-k for the coming test, instead of the Honda one. Apperently other manufacturers faced the same problem last year and there is no easy fix.

Mclaren wants to give Honda more time by running their own seal, based on knowledge about the KERS, but let's not forget that the deadline for Honda to homologate their PU is coming in 3 days. After that Honda needs to apply for reliability exceptions, a procedure that involves sharing information with the competition.

[bauc]

According to autosport, mclaren will bring their own seal of the mgu-k for the coming test, instead of the Honda one. Apperently other manufacturers faced the same problem last year and there is no easy fix.

Mclaren wants to give Honda more time by running their own seal, based on knowledge about the KERS, but let's not forget that the deadline for Honda to homologate their PU is coming in 3 days. After that Honda needs to apply for reliability exceptions, a procedure that involves sharing information with the competition.

Hi Turbo, I've read somewhere that FIA gave Honda 2 more additional days to homologate the engine but I'm not sure if it was here on the forum or somewhere else. Also, the teams have right to change engine parts due to safety reasons during the season wright?

Thanks.

[turbof1]

Hi Bauc,

They could definitely use the 2 additional days, so if true certainly a boost to them.

As I mentioned: yes they are allowed to make changes to the PU for reliability issues. However, they need to hand over a detailed report on the issue and the proposed changes, to the FIA. The FIA then distributes that very same report to the other manufacturers. The reasoning behind this is to make sure there are no hidden performance changers. It also means that any manufacturer can outright veto it. The biggest issue however is that you are charing very vital information on your PU to the competition. As you might know, Mclaren has managed to have a very tight packaging, undoubtly aided by the Honda PU managing the heat very well. Such a report could hold data on construction and/or materials that enable that heat managing.

[santos]

Does any one have a picture or a draw of what is the "seal of the mgu-k"?

[RicME85]

Its Monday that Honda have to homologate as the FIA dont work Saturdays

[Thunder]

McLaren using their technology to help Honda is a great way to see the benefits of a Works Deal. Not sure if Honda's pride is a little scratched but if it is for the best of them both its all good.

[Facts Only]

Hi Bauc,

They could definitely use the 2 additional days, so if true certainly a boost to them.

As I mentioned: yes they are allowed to make changes to the PU for reliability issues. However, they need to hand over a detailed report on the issue and the proposed changes, to the FIA. The FIA then distributes that very same report to the other manufacturers. The reasoning behind this is to make sure there are no hidden performance changers. It also means that any manufacturer can outright veto it. The biggest issue however is that you are charing very vital information on your PU to the competition. As you might know, Mclaren has managed to have a very tight packaging, undoubtly aided by the Honda PU managing the heat very well. Such a report could hold data on construction and/or materials that enable that heat managing.

I have prepared a couple of these "reliability" reports and honestly they are no big deal. The information provided is genuinely pathetic, probably a close up picture of part of the seal on someone's desk with a few words along the lines of "this one leaks so he have changed the shape so it doesn't leak".

You can get away with this because no-one will ever vito anyone else's changes. This happens as they know that whoever they vito'd will just vito their next change to spite them and then they will vito them back and then eventually no manufacturer can make any changes as everyone will be stuck in a viscous circle of vito'ing and being vito'd.

You can also make changes to reduce the cost and submit the same type of report, its funny how quite often the new cheaper parts are a bit lighter/tighter/smaller/better as well.

It quite a ludicrous system.

[frosty125]

Hi Bauc,

They could definitely use the 2 additional days, so if true certainly a boost to them.

As I mentioned: yes they are allowed to make changes to the PU for reliability issues. However, they need to hand over a detailed report on the issue and the proposed changes, to the FIA. The FIA then distributes that very same report to the other manufacturers. The reasoning behind this is to make sure there are no hidden performance changers. It also means that any manufacturer can outright veto it. The biggest issue however is that you are charing very vital information on your PU to the competition. As you might know, Mclaren has managed to have a very tight packaging, undoubtly aided by the Honda PU managing the heat very well. Such a report could hold data on construction and/or materials that enable that heat managing.

I have prepared a couple of these "reliability" reports and honestly they are no big deal. The information provided is genuinely pathetic, probably a close up picture of part of the seal on someone's desk with a few words along the lines of "this one leaks so he have changed the shape so it doesn't leak".

You can get away with this because no-one will ever vito anyone else's changes. This happens as they know that whoever they vito'd will just vito their next change to spite them and then they will vito them back and then eventually no manufacturer can make any changes as everyone will be stuck in a viscous circle of vito'ing and being vito'd.

You can also make changes to reduce the cost and submit the same type of report, its funny how quite often the new cheaper parts are a bit lighter/tighter/smaller/better as well.

It quite a ludicrous system.

That is really useful information, so would you say it will be fairly easy for Honda to make the reliability changes after homologation without using tokens and giving too much away in regards to design of the PU?

[turbof1]

Nice stuff Facts Only, thanks for the insight. It seems that those rules were merely a scare crow rather then something that really was a trade-off between reliability and keeping secrets indoor.

[bauc]

Hi Bauc,

They could definitely use the 2 additional days, so if true certainly a boost to them.

As I mentioned: yes they are allowed to make changes to the PU for reliability issues. However, they need to hand over a detailed report on the issue and the proposed changes, to the FIA. The FIA then distributes that very same report to the other manufacturers. The reasoning behind this is to make sure there are no hidden performance changers. It also means that any manufacturer can outright veto it. The biggest issue however is that you are charing very vital information on your PU to the competition. As you might know, Mclaren has managed to have a very tight packaging, undoubtly aided by the Honda PU managing the heat very well. Such a report could hold data on construction and/or materials that enable that heat managing.

Thank you for the detailed reply.

[Abarth]

Does any one have a picture or a draw of what is the "seal of the mgu-k"?

I'd like to know too, especially what is sealed against what?
Is that the sealing of the electrical conductors into the engine to the MGU-K?

[PistoniRoventi]

McLaren to run an old KERS unit instead of the problematic MGU-K at the final pre-season tests...


http://autosprint.corrieredellosport.it ... nda/25655/

[Thunder]

We don't even know how the PU looks so the chances will be very small we will see how a Seal inside of it Looks.

[CptPeanut]

McLaren to run an old KERS unit instead of the problematic MGU-K at the final pre-season tests...


http://autosprint.corrieredellosport.it ... nda/25655/

Not 100% accurate.

They used an old MGU-K on the final day of the last test but will be reverting to the Honda unit with a McLaren supplied seal for the next test.