Alonso's Crash

[Jonnycraig]

At the risk of reigniting Alonsogate:

Tobias Grüner AMuS ‏@tgruener 15m15 minutes ago
Alonso entered T3 at 215kph, braked, shifted 2 gears down & stayed on line. Running 135kph outside T3 exit he suddenly turned right. (1/2)

Alonso hit the wall on the inside 3sec later (105kph) without avoiding action (why?). Car deceleration 31g, earpiece measured 16g. (2/2)

Marca recreation with photo timestamps:


On a sidenote, Martin Brundle was on Sky yesterday and made it pretty obvious that from what he's been told (by his - love him or hate him - wide list of high profile paddock friends), he doesn't give any credence to McLarens official line.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

DID A 600 WATT SHOCK CAUSE ALONSO’S TESTING ACCIDENT?

Unofficially, speculation and doubt are running wild with most recent;y Sky Italia, the F1 broadcaster, claims the Spanish driver has confided to close friends and family that he suffered a “major shock in his spine” before losing control of his McLaren-Honda and striking the Barcelona wall.

[Phil]

It would be interesting what the steering wheel telemetry shows. A strong wind could mean that despite keeping the wheel locked in a steady position, the car could swerve out significantly (or go right in this case). The faster you go, the more impact this would have, as even the slightest wheel correction will mean a bigger impact on the trajectory (faster = more distance you travel per ms, or the bigger any small steering correction will have).

[lebesset]

DID A 600 WATT SHOCK CAUSE ALONSO’S TESTING ACCIDENT?

Unofficially, speculation and doubt are running wild with most recent;y Sky Italia, the F1 broadcaster, claims the Spanish driver has confided to close friends and family that he suffered a “major shock in his spine” before losing control of his McLaren-Honda and striking the Barcelona wall.

so the telemetry showing him braking and changing gear is a glitch in the system ?

[Vasconia]

DID A 600 WATT SHOCK CAUSE ALONSO’S TESTING ACCIDENT?

Unofficially, speculation and doubt are running wild with most recent;y Sky Italia, the F1 broadcaster, claims the Spanish driver has confided to close friends and family that he suffered a “major shock in his spine” before losing control of his McLaren-Honda and striking the Barcelona wall.

Some ex-drivers say that what happened is not normal and that something happened to Alonso just before the acciddent.


"Otro antiguo piloto que decidió opinar sobre el accidente después de que se confirmase que el asturiano no estaría en Australia fue Rene Arnoux. "La recomendación de los doctores no me ha sorprendido lo más mínimo, porque estoy convencido de que Fernando tuvo un problema físico antes del accidente. He pilotado en Fórmula 1 y sé de lo que estoy hablando. El impacto fue lateral, lo que no justifica los daños. Creo firmemente que Alonso se sintió mal al volante. Lo del viento se utilizó como una excusa bienvenida", aportó el francés. "

Translation(not mine):

Another former pilot who decided to review the accident after confirmation that the Spaniard would not be in Australia was René Arnoux. "The recommendation of the doctors did not surprise me in the least, because I am convinced that Fernando had a physical problem before the accident. I drove in Formula 1 and I know what I'm talking about. The impact was lateral, which does not justify the damage. I strongly believe that Alonso felt ill at the wheel. the wind was used as a welcome excuse ", provided the French.

[Richard]

I see's there's been another flurry of Alonso speculation. Remarkably a number of F1 commentators have reviewed the evidence and come to conclusion .... even thought there is diddly squat evidence of anything. What are these people reviewing? There is no CCTV or telemetry in the public domain until we get the FIA report. These opinions are based on zilch, nada, nothing.

However I've reopened the thread or we'll have "Alonso-gate" everywhere as if adding the word "gate" carries evidential weight. Electrocution-gate, epilepsy-gate, F1-driver-had-a-crash-gate, the-pope's-a-catholic-gate, who-let-the-cows-out-into-the-road-because-they-forgot-to-shut-the-gate-gate...

[Jonnycraig]

I see's there's been another flurry of Alonso speculation. Remarkably a number of F1 commentators have reviewed the evidence and come to conclusion .... even thought there is diddly squat evidence of anything. What are these people reviewing? There is no CCTV or telemetry in the public domain until we get the FIA report. These opinions are based on zilch, nada, nothing.

In the public domain is the salient point of course.

At the risk of becoming one of the tin foil brigade, if Brundle with his plethora of friends in the paddock, and let's be honest, in McLaren, doesn't believe in the official story then I don't see the issue with questioning it.

[f1universe]

I'm reading that him driving in Malaysia is not certain, I hope is a joke.

[bauc]

I'm reading that him driving in Malaysia is not certain, I hope is a joke.

Alonso him self tweeted '' Cant wait for Malaysia '' or something like that

[Kiril Varbanov]

I'm reading that him driving in Malaysia is not certain, I hope is a joke.

Most of the stuff that have been published today are a joke. But I liked the electroshock the most. I was thinking of adding my own "high electromagnetic storm caused by nearby HAARP instance", but I couldn't do it on time to get viral.

[FrukostScones]

I'm reading that him driving in Malaysia is not certain, I hope is a joke.

Most of the stuff that have been published today are a joke. But I liked the electroshock the most. I was thinking of adding my own "high electromagnetic storm caused by nearby HAARP instance", but I couldn't do it on time to get viral.

so you think the AMUS article is a joke?

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 99707.html

btw: But I like your HAARP reference.

[SectorOne]

At the risk of reigniting Alonsogate:

Tobias Grüner AMuS ‏@tgruener 15m15 minutes ago
Alonso entered T3 at 215kph, braked, shifted 2 gears down & stayed on line. Running 135kph outside T3 exit he suddenly turned right. (1/2)

this is key to the whole wind-debate. There´s no reason to turn in the same direction the wind is supposedly sending you.
I´m starting to think it was some sort of electrocution now.

edit: but him hitting his head hard and getting a concussion i believe no doubt.

[lebesset]

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that I should place no credence in anything said by ex drivers or TV journalists

the most respected doctor in this field , the late lamented prof watkins is on record as saying that drivers shoudn't race for a month after a concussion , so I am pleased to see alonso doing that , especially as it is not the first time for him

unfortunately in the past some drivers haven't followed this advice

[wesley123]

DID A 600 WATT SHOCK CAUSE ALONSO’S TESTING ACCIDENT?

Unofficially, speculation and doubt are running wild with most recent;y Sky Italia, the F1 broadcaster, claims the Spanish driver has confided to close friends and family that he suffered a “major shock in his spine” before losing control of his McLaren-Honda and striking the Barcelona wall.

Some ex-drivers say that what happened is not normal and that something happened to Alonso just before the acciddent.

Yes, I wouldn't call a crash in a F1 car "normal". Human bodies aren't designed to withstand such punishment and certainly not repeatedly or in short succession of each other.

A concussion in itself isn't much of an issue, it only becomes an issue when you don't properly recover from it and/or suffer another one in a short succession.

Whether Alonso likes it or not, he still has 40+ years to fill after his F1 career, and I can imagine that Alonso wouldn't want to fill those years dealing with complications of something that could easily have been prevented.

[adrianjordan]

this is key to the whole wind-debate. There´s no reason to turn in the same direction the wind is supposedly sending you.
I´m starting to think it was some sort of electrocution now.

editquotehim hitting his head hard and getting a concussion i believe no doubt.

Not with 30g measured in the car and 16g Impact measured at the helmet. You get a concussion with 100g or above.
I am pretty sure there was some kind of helth problem before.

High lateral G corners a the most likely place to run into problems, if there is any health issue.

For me the most likely Scenario is Alonso felt he was losing awareness, then he tried to slow down, and pulled the car to the side.
In that moment he passed out, so he could not stop on the side of the track, but crashed.

By the way: hard concrete walls at the side of the track are not the worst idea if a possible Impact is at a flat angle. For sure it is better than classic tyre barriers, which would stop the car rather hard, instead of guiding it along ist way.

100g or above??

So all the footballers and rugby players who've suffered concussion have been subjected to that force of impact??

Do you have a source for your 100g claim??

I will look up in some of my textbooks later to see whether I can find anything...