Alonso's Crash

[dave34m]

This is going to sound rude, but I don't know how to sugar-coat it. As fun as it is to speculate, please, all of you, make an effort to see the sources of the information, or at least to think which they are and how likely they are to really know. Just in that quote above, you(they) are saying one thing, then another, and somehow, apparently, giving credibility to both because they are "being reported". Ignoring the logic flaws in that, they are not even being reported, they are being tortured in the internet. I am guessing that the omnicourse -> being reported path was actually El Pais -> Omnicourse -> dude translating to english -> dude making extracts from the translation -> dude reconstructing the whole story from the extracts -> you writing here. Am I right? At which point in the chain do we stop calling it reporting?
I am Spanish, and what Oriol Puigdemont actually wrote for El Pais http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/201 ... 43825.html is that the moment he recovered conscience, shortly after having lost it, he was immediately asked by the medical services these three questions: "Who are you?, What is your job? What do you expect of the future?". He also says that those are standard questions to anyone who might have commotion from an impact. Then, seconds after waking up, a couple of minutes after crashing, he answered that he was called Fernando, racing Karts, and that he wanted to make it to F1.
And from this, speculation goes on and he "had amnesia for a week and his memory now ends at 20 years ago" .
Really, please, a minimal effort to consider the sources and what they know, please...

Is this what they really ask anyone involved in an impact like that, surely they would ask questions that they would know the answers too, for the average man in the street they wouldn't know what their job was or what they wanted to do in the future. I thought they would ask things like what year is it, who is the President of United States, that sort of thing.

[Kiril Varbanov]

It's a pretty good topic for sensationalism, and it's likely to stop once Alonso get into the car at Malaysia FP.
Even today UK tabloids send him to the ex-drivers. It's getting annoying already... But Mclaren are again not handling the media situation with their silence. One has to wonder whether the negative advertisement is still an advertisement. All recent media and PR textbooks rule this out - negative is negative.

On a related matter, 82% of our readers think that the whole truth hasn't been spoken - http://www.f1technical.net/poll/index.php?dispid=291

[timbo]

Is this what they really ask anyone involved in an impact like that, surely they would ask questions that they would know the answers too, for the average man in the street they wouldn't know what their job was or what they wanted to do in the future.

I read that work is actually very important part of human psyche. And FWIW the questions are not to get a "right answer" but more to access the capability of a person for communication.

I thought they would ask things like what year is it, who is the President of United States, that sort of thing.

Isn't it slightly USA-centric?

On topic -- now there are doubts that Alonso returns http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1 ... er-5281023
Of course it's Mirror, so that's speculation and such possibility always exists.
But that again provokes a questions on how PR is handled by Ron/McLaren.

[lebesset]

It's a pretty good topic for sensationalism, and it's likely to stop once Alonso get into the car at Malaysia FP.
Even today UK tabloids send him to the ex-drivers. It's getting annoying already... But Mclaren are again not handling the media situation with their silence. One has to wonder whether the negative advertisement is still an advertisement. All recent media and PR textbooks rule this out - negative is negative.

On a related matter, 82% of our readers think that the whole truth hasn't been spoken - http://www.f1technical.net/poll/index.php?dispid=291

I wonder why 100% of readers don't think the whole truth has been spoken ; the FIA will investigate and THEN the whole truth should be revealed if that is what is required
as to the mirror suggestion that alonso won't ever drive again , that is of course quite possible , it's not his first concussion ; and he was unconcious before the impact ? I know he is good but being able to brake and change gear while unconcious is a bit of a stretch , isn't it ?

[Roman]

I believe Fernando Alonso was shocked by either his battery pack or MGU-K unit.

Remember this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__DpDTDyc4g

I decided to finally make a post in this thread after reviewing numerous posts, videos, blog posts etc. It's the only plausible scenario and I believe the Formula 1 / FIA needs to open up on this matter as Australian press are starting to make a dogs breakfast out of it.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsport/ ... 3x7bz.html

The video is actually a beautiful example why the theory of electrocution cannot be correct. You see what the driver is doing while his mechanic gets electrocuted? Right - he is doing nothing, he is just surprised what his mechanic is doing flying away. Why? Because he is not connected to anything where all the electricity (which is clearly "on" the car) can go to.

The driver in the car is like the bird sitting on the high voltage line; he is not grounded (other than his poor mechanic).

Therefore even if we would assume a failure of the MGU-K or batteries, chances that this would harm him (and not the marshalls) are virtually nonexistent.

[Richard]

I wonder why 100% of readers don't think the whole truth has been spoken ; the FIA will investigate and THEN the whole truth should be revealed if that is what is required

Indeed, by definition we won't have the full answers until we get the FIA report.

As for the Mirror, that's recycling the same Spanish source as all the others. So it's down to one comment being reported hundreds of times and getting ore shrill with each iteration.

I do wonder if the Mclaren PR team should issue a report every 3 days or so saying "nothing new so far, Alonso is resting, we've given data to the FIA". That would mean the baying media would have something official to report otherwise they end up recycling rumours.

Sadly we had the same with Schumacher, he was sedated and under observation for weeks with nothing happening. However that's too simple for some people so they start inventing wild ideas because they can't cope with the ambiguity of "nothing happening".

[FrukostScones]

It's a pretty good topic for sensationalism, and it's likely to stop once Alonso get into the car at Malaysia FP.
Even today UK tabloids send him to the ex-drivers. It's getting annoying already... But Mclaren are again not handling the media situation with their silence. One has to wonder whether the negative advertisement is still an advertisement. All recent media and PR textbooks rule this out - negative is negative.

On a related matter, 82% of our readers think that the whole truth hasn't been spoken - http://www.f1technical.net/poll/index.php?dispid=291

I wonder why 100% of readers don't think the whole truth has been spoken ; the FIA will investigate and THEN the whole truth should be revealed if that is what is required
as to the mirror suggestion that alonso won't ever drive again , that is of course quite possible , it's not his first concussion ; and he was unconcious before the impact ? I know he is good but being able to brake and change gear while unconcious is a bit of a stretch , isn't it ?

not that argument again, "how could he have been unconsciuos, he was braking and downshifting..."
NOT till the impact!

[nzjrs]

Omnicourse.it is reporting that El Pais (a Spanish newspaper) said Alonso actually had amnesia for a week and that his memory now ends at 20 years ago and upon talking to doctors he said his name was Fernando Alonso and he races go karts. Other people are reporting that when he was talking in Italian and believed he still worked for Ferrari.

I think it is time this thread was locked again.

[timbo]

I do wonder if the Mclaren PR team should issue a report every 3 days or so saying "nothing new so far, Alonso is resting, we've given data to the FIA". That would mean the baying media would have something official to report otherwise they end up recycling rumours.

Sadly we had the same with Schumacher, he was sedated and under observation for weeks with nothing happening. However that's too simple for some people so they start inventing wild ideas because they can't cope with the ambiguity of "nothing happening".

I think Schumacher's PR-team did much better job. They at least reacted on any major rumor which got spread. Also they never downplayed significance of his condition.
In Alonso's case we always had "he's fine just medical checks, results of MRT are fine but he would stay at hospital for a few days", "recovery is fine but he'll miss a race" etc. And we have Ronspeak about concussion without signs of concussion.

[mikeerfol]

Mirror now says Alonso may never race again

I agree with closing this thread until something new (from official sources) hits the ground.

[MBilcke]

Me know from nothing, and am trying to keep an open mind.
Therefor I never thought a reply had any point, although Fernando is one of my biggest idols.
But, please stop saying he could not have had an electrical shock because he was not grounded ... !
That is pure ignorance. Take this from an electrical engineer/researcher/lecturer:
what you need for electrical current to flow is a difference in potential/electrical load,
and a conductive material, for instance a human body.
You do not need ground, as a lot of people know, but a lot seem to forget.
If you would need ground, a lot of well-known machinery would not be able to function as is.
Besides that, even if Fernando was completely isolated and could not sustain a stable electrical current,
he could have had a big shock because of capacitive coupling.
So my point: I think it is unlikely he was electrocuted, but I simply do not know enough from the technology that was being tested and the human body, to say it did not happen.
I know this is a technical forum, but who do some of you think you are: phd in medicine + phd in electronics + phd in sports car-tech + ...
So let's wait and see, hope for the best, and believe the truth will be known sooner rather than later.

And stop saying it is not possible to be electrocuted if you are not grounded ...

[CBeck113]

No, No! We have to keep it open - it's working like a bullshit magnet, and protecting the other threads

How about a simple theory: Alonso was covering up a health "condition", which is now blatantly obvious to the team. The team, still trying to secure sponsors, still want to use Alonso do get the sponsors, so they are trying to cover up his "condition".

Or this one: It was a "feature" malfunction, such as the brake compensation, which McLaren like the other teams will try to use as a traction control (hit the gas pedal, then the brake effect via brake by wire releases in a controlled manor ), causing the car to reactly strangely in his eyes, so he got off the gas and maybe intended to accelerate again, but instead was sent off the track...

JUST DON'T CLOSE THIS THREAD AGAIN!!!!! KEEP THE SH*T HERE!!!! Thank you

[mertol]

The wind theory is just as bullshit as the other ones. It's not backed by any evidence. The more bullshit hits the fan the sooner some information will be released (hopefully).

[adrianjordan]

Okay, so being very pedantic here, but if Fernando had been "electrocuted" then he would be dead: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... lectrocute

[Richard]

Okay, so being very pedantic here, but if Fernando had been "electrocuted" then he would be dead: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... lectrocute

Okay, so being very pedantic here, but your link says "injure or kill".