Manor Marussia F1 Team 2015

[WaikeCU]

Putting a scenario out there, If both Mercedes cars proved to be 8 tenths quicker in Quali than the 3rd place car, and Marussia were inside 107% of 3rd, but outside of 1st and 2nd, it would be somewhat daft to enforce the 107% rule.

Surely the 107% rule is only enforced to prevent backmarkers from being dangerously slow for the rest of the field - they would only actually be a problem for 2 cars, driven by two of the worlds best drivers.

Admittedly that may be a simplistic view, but I am the sort of person who would do away with blue flags...

I think alot depends what time they will be running on Friday and Saturday. If they are off the 107% right from the start, then of course they won't be taking part in the race. I believe since a lot of teams will focus on the long run on Friday's FP1, Manor might try to simulate a Quali session, which hopefully will set them within the 107% rule.

[Jonnycraig]

Manor will have to produce an all new car for 2016, there is no way they will get an exemption to continue with the 14/15 hybrid. Equally they will want to be ahead of Haas if at all possible so will more likely have their own car running sometime later this season in my opinion.

HRT did it year after year with their chassis. As long as the car complies with the regulations of that year, nobody can veto against it.

For the record, the car they are prepping now will also be legal next year. Not that they will continue with it since I don't even think they can get through the 107% rule in Melbourne. Plus the chassis will be incompatible with newer Ferrari PU's, and Ferrari will not be bothered to continue producing 2014 specs.

They have a hacked at 2014 chassis modified to be legal, but running an obsolete engine and an obsolete braking system, so as said, they will have to produce a new car internally for next season.

Rebuilding your company and infrastructure and then Designing and building a new car in 6 months is just not going to happen, even 12 months will be a push.

They don't need to design a new car, as shown in the car thread, Marussia were already well down the line with the design of a car and had countless iterations of wings, diffusers etc all wind tunnel tested. All that data will be at the new teams disposal.

[Facts Only]

Manor will have to produce an all new car for 2016, there is no way they will get an exemption to continue with the 14/15 hybrid. Equally they will want to be ahead of Haas if at all possible so will more likely have their own car running sometime later this season in my opinion.

HRT did it year after year with their chassis. As long as the car complies with the regulations of that year, nobody can veto against it.

For the record, the car they are prepping now will also be legal next year. Not that they will continue with it since I don't even think they can get through the 107% rule in Melbourne. Plus the chassis will be incompatible with newer Ferrari PU's, and Ferrari will not be bothered to continue producing 2014 specs.

They have a hacked at 2014 chassis modified to be legal, but running an obsolete engine and an obsolete braking system, so as said, they will have to produce a new car internally for next season.

Rebuilding your company and infrastructure and then Designing and building a new car in 6 months is just not going to happen, even 12 months will be a push.

They don't need to design a new car, as shown in the car thread, Marussia were already well down the line with the design of a car and had countless iterations of wings, diffusers etc all wind tunnel tested. All that data will be at the new teams disposal.

Except for the fact they sold all of there computers, models and equipment in the first auction. Also without somebody paying £15k+ per seat for CATIA licences that data may as we'll be stored on the moon.

Also if you don't know CAD, you pay per seat, so if you need 10 designers working on that car it will be close to £150k outlay just to carry on the design.

[Jonnycraig]

Except for the fact they sold all of there computers, models and equipment in the first auction. Also without somebody paying £15k+ per seat for CATIA licences that data may as we'll be stored on the moon.

Also if you don't know CAD, you pay per seat, so if you need 10 designers working on that car it will be close to £150k outlay just to carry on the design.

Fitzpatrick is rumoured to be putting in €50m this year alone, as well as the 2014 prize money. £150k is really nothing compared to the sunk costs already in the 2015 car that was never finished.

Not sure what relevance Marussia auctioning off computers has, unless you think Manor work on typewriters at Dinnington.

[Facts Only]

Except for the fact they sold all of there computers, models and equipment in the first auction. Also without somebody paying £15k+ per seat for CATIA licences that data may as we'll be stored on the moon.

Also if you don't know CAD, you pay per seat, so if you need 10 designers working on that car it will be close to £150k outlay just to carry on the design.

Fitzpatrick is rumoured to be putting in €50m this year alone, as well as the 2014 prize money. £150k is really nothing compared to the sunk costs already in the 2015 car that was never finished.

Not sure what relevance Marussia auctioning off computers has, unless you think Manor work on typewriters at Dinnington.

The computers needed to run Auto-GP and FR cars are tad differnt to full on design office requirements. From the sounds of it you've never worked in a design office but it requires a large amount of infrastructure/server rooms/CAD boxes/PLM control/CADCAM/CFD supercomputers etc. it's not just a few Dell Laptops with windows Pro and and copy of Solidworks.

I'm sure they can afford it but these things take time, staff and space to implement.

[adrianjordan]

Except for the fact they sold all of there computers, models and equipment in the first auction. Also without somebody paying £15k+ per seat for CATIA licences that data may as we'll be stored on the moon.

Also if you don't know CAD, you pay per seat, so if you need 10 designers working on that car it will be close to £150k outlay just to carry on the design.

Fitzpatrick is rumoured to be putting in €50m this year alone, as well as the 2014 prize money. £150k is really nothing compared to the sunk costs already in the 2015 car that was never finished.

Not sure what relevance Marussia auctioning off computers has, unless you think Manor work on typewriters at Dinnington.

The computers needed to run Auto-GP and FR cars are tad differnt to full on design office requirements. From the sounds of it you've never worked in a design office but it requires a large amount of infrastructure/server rooms/CAD boxes/PLM control/CADCAM/CFD supercomputers etc. it's not just a few Dell Laptops with windows Pro and and copy of Solidworks.

I'm sure they can afford it but these things take time, staff and space to implement.

I think the point he was making was that Manor may already have those things....or that can be outsourced...

Lest we forget, this is the team who attempted to run an all CFD design approach when they started out...I for one auspect they might still have some CAD and CFD capabilities...

[Richard]

Lest we forget, this is the team who attempted to run an all CFD design approach when they started out...I for one auspect they might still have some CAD and CFD capabilities...

I though that was Wirth's contribution to the team when it started? They've long departed the scene.

[stefan_]

Meanwlile...
https://twitter.com/ausgrandprix/status ... 3723128832

[cbbcisace]

People are saying why they still got the Marussia logo on, not sure they have had time to change that! Not sure it's top priority anyways

[Jonnycraig]

People are saying why they still got the Marussia logo on, not sure they have had time to change that! Not sure it's top priority anyways

They have to race as Manir Marussia anyway so might as well use the old gear.

[Manoah2u]

this must be one of the weirdest unexpected and inexplicable events of recent

[Richard]

Shame Aus GP people are using the old Marussia twitter account. The correct one is https://twitter.com/ManorF1Team

[Jonnycraig]

Roberto Merhi confirmed for this weekend, although only for the 1 race at the moment.

Says he isn't paying for the seat and Manor approached him.

In an all together shocking move, Jordan King is now official development driver.

[Raleigh]

Merhi filling in until Van der Garde gets sorted out with Sauber then?

Obviously some nepotism involved lol, but Jordan King doesn't seem too bad. Was runner up in the FR 2.0 NEC driving for Manor and just won the British Formula 3 championship, I expect he'll do a season in FR 3.5 or GP2 and then drive for Manor F1 in 2016.

[knabbel]

Bob Fernley / Force India is still crying about the Manor car http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117964

"The regulations changes between 2014 and 2015 are entirely safety based, so what you're saying is, 'I would like to bring my car in which is technically unsafe, will you make a concession for me?'

So basically he says that the cars from last year were unsafe, then why did they race last year?