Alonso's Crash

[SectorOne]

Tire load, temperatures, suspension load etc. etc.

Doubt it.

Seeing how most speculation is about Alonso rather than the actual crash itself it wouldn't clear up anything.

Speculation is quite clearly about what exactly caused the crash. Was it the wind or some other thing.

Telemetry of that would clear everything up.

[adrianjordan]

A stroke would have been observable on the CT scan

A TIA, or Transient Ischaemic Attack (aka Mini Stroke), might not have been... Unlikely, but possible... I think if that was the case though they would have told us as that would be career ending for FA.

[Webber2011]

Hi guys, don't post much here basically due to my limited technical knowledge, but something mentioned in this thread caught my attention.

The idea that maybe Nando suffered a stroke.

I have no idea what may have happened, but this to me sounds quite plausible speaking from experience because I had a "mini" stroke back in 2010.

At the time I was driving a forklift, and all of a sudden felt very dizzy.
I had the strangest sensation of falling to my right that overtook every other sense.
I was doing maybe 5km an hour and had time to come to a complete stop before I blacked out, or so I thought.

A co worker witnessed the whole thing and said I didnt fall to the right as I thought, but I did turn to the right before I stopped.
I'm told I was only out for maybe 20 seconds, but when I came to I had no idea what I was doing driving a forklift, couldn't remember my name even.

I was later informed by my gp that the falling, spinning feeling is common and I gripped the wheel and pulled to the right to try and hold myself upright, even though in reality I wasn't falling at all.

Now I'm not saying Nando had the same thing happen.
Just that for me the circumstances are eeirily similar.

WOW, it is quite similar.

Sorry, did doctors tell you if you can't do anything like extreme sports? Is it anything usual, or it can happen to you again?

And how was the recovery? How much time in hospital?

Thanks for telling us your story.

It can happen again at any time mate, but I'm looking after myself and did take meds to reduce my blood pressure for almost 2 years.
Also had to change some simple things like diet.

I was only in hospital for 2 days.

Had to resit my licenses as well once I had been cleared by the Doc's, and passed with flying colours.

I've never had a reccurance, and feel fine.
But I do have regular check ups now that I would never have bothered about before.

[dobbster71]

There are lots of hypotheses about this incident. Maybe Alonso suffered a similar incident as happened to footballer Bafetimbi Gomis last week:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... match.html

[Manoah2u]

Again, medical scans showed no trauma of any physical oddities. Alonso was able to respond to the situation right untill hitting the wall with 35G. that's a smash of 10 G harder than when he was carried by ambulance to the hospital after the race in Abu Dhabi '13. It was a concrete wall side-smack. not a vertical vertibrea hit. helmet to the headrest/protection. brains as a very soft tissue smacking in the cranium causing a blackout/concussion.

people inventing the wildest theories here but forgetting the most important thing; that the brain is a fragile and very personal functioning 'thing'.

Just think about Schumacher's motorcycle accident. It turned out it had him left with a brain injury. Was he still able to compete? yes, though not on the same level as before unfortunately. What caused the crash? a sudden pop-out-of-nowhere brain issue? no, the brain injury was the result of the crash, not the cause.

Same with Alonso. Alonso had a crash and as a result he has some physical discomfort. There is a huge difference between discomfort and 'damage' or 'injury', and aftermath of a 'hit'. You can go to the gym and lift weights like a boss and afterwards have huge pain in the muscles and can't lift for a while. Is the lifter injured? no. Do injuries pop up on a scan? no. He just needs his body to respond to the 'hit' it got from a heavy 'attack' to the body. That's all.

So Alonso had a hit and probably had his brains slammed against the cranium which probably saw him having a slight moment where the blood and pressure in the veins were affected.
not damaging anything, simply having the brain dealing with an issue that normally doesn't occur.
Oxigen might have been halted for just a fraction of a second.

Like suddenly having a load of alcohol in the body [drunk]. Who is able to talk clearly and know what's happening around him when he's drunk? nobody. And i'm not talking about having a single pint, i'm talking about wasted drunk. Next day; headache, can't remember what you did during the drunkness, vague what you did before, and perhaps some signs of dehydration. dehydration and a headache is not the cause of drunkness, it was the aftermath. drunkness was the cause.

It's all really simple and nothing special, so stop blowing things out of proportion.
There is no story here but some unfortunate happenings on-track which had some unwanted aftermaths for fernando.

Big deal. It's only blown out of proportions because it's Alonso. If it would have been kvyat it would have gained little attention. Some soccer player gets a hit to the knee and can't play that particular game anymore, nobody gives a damn.
Messi gets a hit to the knee and it's the world upside down and the end of the universe as we know it.

Didn't expect this place to be a like chicken's den.

[motobaleno]

http://www.antena3.com/formula-1/notici ... 00301.html

According to AS there is an anomalous sound before the impact

[Webber2011]

A stroke would have been observable on the CT scan

Not in every case mate.
I had a CT and nothing showed up.

As far as Ive been told, that is why it was classed as a "mini" stroke.

Basically my brain was struggling to get enough blood for a short amount of time, compared to a full blown stroke where vessels rupture and it all turns bad very quickly.
So it sent me a pretty important warning sign.

Did this happen to Nando ?
I guess we will never know to be honest.

[Thunder]

Toto Wolff states he believes what McLaren said and that one couldn't hide Facts from the FIA and if there was something for other Teams to know they would know by now. Mercedes even analysed the GPS Data on their own and come to the same conclusion as McLaren.

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 30908.html

Won't calm the Tinfoilers, but hey, i tried.

[Mui]

Alonso's doctors probably took the CT and MRI looked at it and saw nothing unusual. Also, people like Alonso probably do periodical medical checkups in which case the doctors might have compared them with an older CT and MRI to make sure that nothing was unusual.

What made Alonso crash is still up in the air, whether it was driver error, wind etc I don't think we'll ever find out.Regardless, if he doesn't run in Malaysia then something might be wrong.

As for the memory loss, some people remember and some people don't. Lets hope for a speedy recovery.

[Mesteño]

Well, Antonio Lobato, f1 reporter who is very near to Alonso says here (as if it didn't matter or something) "Fernando believes something broke in the car". I was seeing tv and saw it, and made me curious. You can believe he did talk to Fernando as they both are very near.

http://www.antena3.com/formula-1/notici ... 00232.html

[f1universe]

Well, Antonio Lobato, f1 reporter who is very near to Alonso says here (as if it didn't matter or something) "Fernando believes something broke in the car". I was seeing tv and saw it, and made me curious. You can believe he did talk to Fernando as they both are very near.

http://www.antena3.com/formula-1/notici ... 00232.html

He also said that as far as he knows, no fainting before the incident either. Lobato and Alonso are friends, you bet he got his info from Alonso. He said "Alonso piensa", "Alonso thinks", not even Alonso knows for sure what happen. I wonder if he is waiting to see all the data when he is back at Woking.

[iotar__]

Toto Wolff states he believes what McLaren said and that one couldn't hide Facts from the FIA and if there was something for other Teams to know they would know by now. Mercedes even analysed the GPS Data on their own and come to the same conclusion as McLaren.

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 30908.html

Won't calm the Tinfoilers, but hey, i tried.

They drew conclusions from GPS data about the lack of mechanical failures?? Why is Wolff involved in this suddenly, did he get any data from FIA or McLaren? Yeah, those tin-foilers with their memory loss theories, such fairy tales stories can't be considered interesting, not until McLaren bothers to confirm them .

So where is full FIA's investigation of such "a normal testing incident", head firmly in the sand, still waiting for Alonso to drive? You can't judge the accident itself (lack of data) but you can draw conclusions from reactions and there are plenty of weird ones. Ecclestone's is an interesting one, accident is inexplicable, he doesn't know anything, washes his hands and leaves it to FIA. Bloke can change FRIC rules mid season but can't get safety related info from McL about a serious accident (race missed by the best F1 driver)?

[wesley123]

Tire load, temperatures, suspension load etc. etc.

Doubt it.

Quite sure telemetry stores such data.

Seeing how most speculation is about Alonso rather than the actual crash itself it wouldn't clear up anything.

Speculation is quite clearly about what exactly caused the crash. Was it the wind or some other thing.

Telemetry of that would clear everything up.

And then what? Fairly certain this was already answered.

It still leaves a huge hole in everything though; Why Alonso was in the hospital and why he misses the Australian GP, which is the thing telemetry can't answer.

Also, it would only add to the speculation because people who see a few numbers will just shove it down everyones throats just to be right in their paranoid theories.

Releasing the data wont help anything.

[timbo]

It still leaves a huge hole in everything though; Why Alonso was in the hospital and why he misses the Australian GP, which is the thing telemetry can't answer.

But it will clarify important question about the crash -- was it a "normal" crash i.e. loss of control or was it because Alonso for some reason did not provide adequate inputs?

[Richard]

The FIA report will come. They did a good job on Biacnhi's crash, they'll do the same for this one.