Manor Marussia F1 Team 2015

[DarkJRO]

Bob Fernley / Force India is still crying about the Manor car http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117964

"The regulations changes between 2014 and 2015 are entirely safety based, so what you're saying is, 'I would like to bring my car in which is technically unsafe, will you make a concession for me?'

So basically he says that the cars from last year were unsafe, then why did they race last year?

I think he trys to find a reason that manor should not be there and so doesn't get the money they earned last season.
but look at the seasons HRT did: They used the same chassis and just modifed everything so it was legal to the rules.

same is done here by manor and they passed all the tests. so this car is save as said by the rules.
if it is fast enough is another thing, we can't judge bevor friday. but even if it is to slow, than there will be no problem in race for other teams.

so in the end mr fernly has absolutly no argument here...
just my opinion

[FW17]

Bob Fernley / Force India is still crying about the Manor car http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117964

"The regulations changes between 2014 and 2015 are entirely safety based, so what you're saying is, 'I would like to bring my car in which is technically unsafe, will you make a concession for me?'

So basically he says that the cars from last year were unsafe, then why did they race last year?

Why should concessions be made?

If there was concessions being made then Force India, Sauber and Lotus would have used it too?

The change in chassis height was bull dosed in by the FIA using a safety argument (means no voting by the teams). So why should it be the moral responsibility of the teams to clear up FIA's mess

[turbof1]

I don't know what there is to complain about.

-Marussia approached the SWG last year with the question if it was possible to run a 2014 legal car in 2015. The FIA answered they could do that. One important note is that the FIA however can't decide about that on its own. So the claim from the fia they could was both misleading and not backed up.

-In january Marussia asked this again. Only then it became clear that full inanimous support from the SWG was needed.

-At a meeting in february, 3 teams voted against. One known team that voted against was Force India. Notably, team Williams voted in favor. Fernley then made some comments about that Marussia did not showed a financial plan (was not asked from Marussia). He then went on about safety, but also admitted back then the 4 million played a role.

-Manor/Marussia then went on to modify the chassis to make it compliant with all the 2015 rules, which should end the discussion anyhow.

[FW17]

I don't know what there is to complain about.

-Marussia approached the SWG last year with the question if it was possible to run a 2014 legal car in 2015. The FIA answered they could do that. One important note is that the FIA however can't decide about that on its own. So the claim from the fia they could was both misleading and not backed up.

-In january Marussia asked this again. Only then it became clear that full inanimous support from the SWG was needed.

-At a meeting in february, 3 teams voted against. One known team that voted against was Force India. Notably, team Williams voted in favor. Fernley then made some comments about that Marussia did not showed a financial plan (was not asked from Marussia). He then went on about safety, but also admitted back then the 4 million played a role.

-Manor/Marussia then went on to modify the chassis to make it compliant with all the 2015 rules, which should end the discussion anyhow.

I think you are misinformed or doing it deliberately

The SWG said that 2014 chassis can be used if modified to 2015 rules in Dec 2014; this is specific to the front bulkhead height.

Manor guys said that they will go by what the SWG Dec 2015 ruled and will modify the Chassis to the new height.

What they were voting for in the Feb 2014 SWG is unknown and is mostly speculation.

[turbof1]

I don't know what there is to complain about.

-Marussia approached the SWG last year with the question if it was possible to run a 2014 legal car in 2015. The FIA answered they could do that. One important note is that the FIA however can't decide about that on its own. So the claim from the fia they could was both misleading and not backed up.

-In january Marussia asked this again. Only then it became clear that full inanimous support from the SWG was needed.

-At a meeting in february, 3 teams voted against. One known team that voted against was Force India. Notably, team Williams voted in favor. Fernley then made some comments about that Marussia did not showed a financial plan (was not asked from Marussia). He then went on about safety, but also admitted back then the 4 million played a role.

-Manor/Marussia then went on to modify the chassis to make it compliant with all the 2015 rules, which should end the discussion anyhow.

I think you are misinformed or doing it deliberately

The SWG said that 2014 chassis can be used if modified to 2015 rules in Dec 2014; this is specific to the front bulkhead height.

Manor guys said that they will go by what the SWG Dec 2015 ruled and will modify the Chassis to the new height.

What they were voting for in the Feb 2014 SWG is unknown and is mostly speculation.

On February the 5th there was a SWG meeting and the vote on the Marussia 2014 car was on the agenda (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117597), with following outcome:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117609

It was reported on December the 1st that Caterham (and if you read further into the article, Marussia too) would be allowed by the FIA to use the 2014 car:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/ ... AQ20141201

For your info: it would be silly to request permission to adapt a 2014 chassis to fully comply with 2015 rules, the only conditions are to meet the 2015 rules. How you do it or with what you do that, does not matter. Ergo, you don't need to ask permission for that.

What probably happened was that marussia was not properly informed about the real procedure, with the FIA claiming too much authority. Also for the record, I'm against running a 2014 car among 2015 cars, which is outright dangerous. I however cannot blame Marussia for that since this was presented to them.

[FW17]

It was reported on December the 1st that Caterham (and if you read further into the article, Marussia too) would be allowed by the FIA to use the 2014 car:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/ ... AQ20141201

This article is irrelevant as this was not a result of any SWG meeting.

The request for 2014 car was made on the 23 Dec 2014 meeting. Conclusion was yes; with a few conditions.

Why was on agenda for 3 Feb 2015 meeting? stupidity.

[Alexgtt]

I think they are absolutely right to go with youth. No established driver is going to want this role. Manor know him and what he's capable of. Smart move if he turns out to be quick.

Edit - Testing role I'm talking about.

[turbof1]

It was reported on December the 1st that Caterham (and if you read further into the article, Marussia too) would be allowed by the FIA to use the 2014 car:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/ ... AQ20141201

This article is irrelevant as this was not a result of any SWG meeting.

The request for 2014 car was made on the 23 Dec 2014 meeting. Conclusion was yes; with a few conditions.

Why was on agenda for 3 Feb 2015 meeting? stupidity.

Well, I beg to differ since it is relevant. It was a message that they could have used the 2014 car. As we now know, a false one since the SWG had to be involved, but at the time that was not made clear.

You are right though that there were a few extra steps involved:

On 17 December 2014, the team made a request to the Strategy Group to consider allowing it to use a 2014 race car, modified to meet certain 2015 regulations, for part of the 2015 season. Following analysis, the team highlighted that this would need some form of dispensation on only a small number of clauses in the Regulations.

Then on January the 5th we had this:

Subsequent to this application, the team was informed on 5 January 2015, that the Strategy Group felt that two teams - Marussia and Caterham - should be permitted to race a 2014 car in the 2015 championship. The letter stated that the Strategy Group agreed that the car should comply with all of the 2015 technical regulations, with the exception of four articles, those articles being Articles 3.7.9, 15.4.3, 15.4.4 and 16.2. The team can confirm that the modifications to its 2014 car would meet this stipulation.

I personally believe than january the 5th they voted with a majority on this as an informal decision making, with the official vote taking place on february the 5th.

[FW17]

Well, I beg to differ since it is relevant. It was a message that they could have used the 2014 car. As we now know, a false one since the SWG had to be involved, but at the time that was not made clear.

You are right though that there were a few extra steps involved:

This must have been written by those bottom feeders Joe Saward refers to based on comments by the Caterham Administrator

On 17 December 2014, the team made a request to the Strategy Group to consider allowing it to use a 2014 race car, modified to meet certain 2015 regulations, for part of the 2015 season. Following analysis, the team highlighted that this would need some form of dispensation on only a small number of clauses in the Regulations.

Then on January the 5th we had this:

Subsequent to this application, the team was informed on 5 January 2015, that the Strategy Group felt that two teams - Marussia and Caterham - should be permitted to race a 2014 car in the 2015 championship. The letter stated that the Strategy Group agreed that the car should comply with all of the 2015 technical regulations, with the exception of four articles, those articles being Articles 3.7.9, 15.4.3, 15.4.4 and 16.2. The team can confirm that the modifications to its 2014 car would meet this stipulation.

I personally believe than january the 5th they voted with a majority on this as an informal decision making, with the official vote taking place on february the 5th.

Manor car in OZ is based on the 23rd Dec 2014 meeting; The letter stated that the Strategy Group agreed that the car should comply with all of the 2015 technical regulations, with the exception of four articles, those articles being Articles 3.7.9, 15.4.3, 15.4.4 and 16.2. The team can confirm that the modifications to its 2014 car would meet this stipulation.

The agenda for 5th Feb 2015 is unclear as is what was voted against. With it ending up as a smear campaign on Force India.

[turbof1]

On february the 5th there was vote on the exception of those 4 articles. After the SWG voted against, Manor had to comply with those 4 articles too. That's what the vote was about.

Wasn't too bright from Force India to react on it in the first place. There are 2 to 3 other teams who voted against (Ecclestone mentioned 3-4 teams who voted against) but crucially did not commented in public that they voted against.

I agree though it has been a smear campaign against FI. Somebody who knows F1 will also know the sport is simply that cynical and you aren't in there to be good pals with the competition. However, FI made the crucial mistake of defending the decision in public and reasons FI personally had. Ranting about Marussia did not show any budget plans, which aren't FI's business anyway, and then furthermore admitting the price money played a role, was not a good idea.

[FW17]

Well Manor says that they did not ask for concessions to run a complete 2014 car, so why did it have to come up?

Force India did not make the agenda for the meeting and unfortunate they had to vote first. Funny thing was that before the meeting Red Bull said they would vote against the idea of running a 2014 car.

[turbof1]

Well Manor says that they did not ask for concessions to run a complete 2014 car, so why did it have to come up?

Force India did not make the agenda for the meeting and unfortunate they had to vote first. Funny thing was that before the meeting Red Bull said they would vote against the idea of running a 2014 car.

I think you misunderstood that part there (understandable, it is quite a mess). At the end of 2014, Caterham filed for dispensation on the rules. The FIA stated teams like Caterham and Marussia could use their 2014 car. As we know now, a very hollow reached out hand. Caterham then filed, based on that, a request to use their 2014 car.

So even though they did not asked themselves for the concessions, they did want to shake the reached hand from the FIA. Later this turned out to be hollow.

Lowdon commented on this:

“I was surprised to hear some of the comments made today [february the 5th], particularly regarding an application we were said to have made to yesterday’s meeting, which I can confirm was not the case. We did make a request on 17 December last year and we have been working since to satisfy the requirements subsequently communicated to us, specifically complying with all the Regulations, aside from the exempted articles.”

They never made an official application for the exceptions. Rather, they asked to FIA what was possible and communicated back and forth. At a point (december the 17th) they probably were told that they could use the 2014 car with some, but not all, 2015 alterations. Again, this was the FIA making decisions above its head.

Again, the issue here is not converting the car to meet new rules. That is obviously allowed at any time. The issue was whether they had to forfill all new rules, or only a part.

You also probably right it never got to a real vote since if any would vote against, the voting would stop inmediately and the ones further up the line would not have to vote anymore. Ecclestone probably asked the teams before the meeting what they would vote. However, the voting itself still stays a secrecy, and it's effectively FI that leaked its own vote out in the open.

It doesn't matter anymore. Manor now has a chassis that complies with all 2015 rules and is still in possession of the license. There's nobody that can keep them out.

[nismo]

Mehri has his suit:




Im guessing Stevens will have a suit by race time?

[FW17]

Old one

[Vasconia]

Roberto Merhi confirmed for this weekend, although only for the 1 race at the moment.

Says he isn't paying for the seat and Manor approached him.

In an all together shocking move, Jordan King is now official development driver.

Too bad that he has not the financial support to continue in the team.