Last weekend, it came to light that Renault-powered teams have big issues with their power units. At Albert Park, they had to run the power unit in a detuned state in order to not have it break down and to make it somewhat reliable.
There should be a penalty, Honda got the benefit of being able to learn form all the mistakes the other manufactures made. If it wasn't for the stupid loophole, the wouldn't be allowed to make any changes.lebesset wrote: why on earth should there be a penalty ??
surely equity is what is required !
how on earth are more manufacturers are to be encouraged into the sport if they can't compete !
Have you seen anything in the past 10 years that suggests the major players in the sport have any interest in encouraging more manufacturers to get involved in the sport? Cuz I sure haven't. From everything I have seen, the PTB are quite happy to play in a very small and very exclusive sand box. Notice that "exclusive" can have subtle shadings of meaning.how on earth are more manufacturers are to be encouraged into the sport if they can't compete !
i could care less about manufacturers entering the sport.... there is some advantage to sitting out the first year of an engine formula and getting to pick and choose which road to go down ... honda just cocked it upMOWOG wrote:Have you seen anything in the past 10 years that suggests the major players in the sport have any interest in encouraging more manufacturers to get involved in the sport? Cuz I sure haven't. From everything I have seen, the PTB are quite happy to play in a very small and very exclusive sand box. Notice that "exclusive" can have subtle shadings of meaning.how on earth are more manufacturers are to be encouraged into the sport if they can't compete !
It is said the US Senate is the most exclusive men's club in the world, but that is not true. Formula One is the most exclusive men's club in the world.
giantfan10 wrote:i could care less about manufacturers entering the sport.... there is some advantage to sitting out the first year of an engine formula and getting to pick and choose which road to go down ... honda just cocked it upMOWOG wrote:Have you seen anything in the past 10 years that suggests the major players in the sport have any interest in encouraging more manufacturers to get involved in the sport? Cuz I sure haven't. From everything I have seen, the PTB are quite happy to play in a very small and very exclusive sand box. Notice that "exclusive" can have subtle shadings of meaning.how on earth are more manufacturers are to be encouraged into the sport if they can't compete !
It is said the US Senate is the most exclusive men's club in the world, but that is not true. Formula One is the most exclusive men's club in the world.
they had all the mercedes data that mclaren had access to in 2014 to apply to their engine while all the other teams in their first year had to pick a direction and run with it and hope it was the best.
i feel no pity for mclaren honda.. the position they are in is a direct result of their incompetence for the lack of a better word.
"'Nando, look at all these posts about us"MOWOG wrote:Ron? Ron Dennis? Is that you? Don't hide behind that silly screen name, Ron. It's unbecoming.
"Not the hand, Ron, not the hand"Manoah2u wrote:"'Nando, look at all these posts about us"MOWOG wrote:Ron? Ron Dennis? Is that you? Don't hide behind that silly screen name, Ron. It's unbecoming.
One could argue that having a new PU and having to go through the year with just 4 engines is a penalty. I'd say there is a 50% chance that McLaren/Honda will take AT LEAST one Engine Penalty a some point in 2015. It's already pretty obvious they're not gonna be competitive till, if they're lucky, late in the year. How much more do you want to penalize them?dans79 wrote:There should be a penalty, Honda got the benefit of being able to learn form all the mistakes the other manufactures made. If it wasn't for the stupid loophole, the wouldn't be allowed to make any changes.lebesset wrote: why on earth should there be a penalty ??
surely equity is what is required !
how on earth are more manufacturers are to be encouraged into the sport if they can't compete !
In case you didn't notice there are two huge penalties of starting hybrid engine later:dans79 wrote:There should be a penalty, Honda got the benefit of being able to learn form all the mistakes the other manufactures made. If it wasn't for the stupid loophole, the wouldn't be allowed to make any changes.lebesset wrote: why on earth should there be a penalty ??
surely equity is what is required !
how on earth are more manufacturers are to be encouraged into the sport if they can't compete !
my point exactly... now because honda screwed it up all the apologists want a do over : )mertol wrote:Nothing can stop a manufacturer to test and develop their engine for years before entering F1. This one year delay could also be a huge advantage - imagine if Honda entered with a super powerful and reliable engine right from the start and the other manufacturers were stuck with what they have and no way to improve it.
would be the first time in the history of F1 if that happenedmertol wrote:Nothing can stop a manufacturer to test and develop their engine for years before entering F1. This one year delay could also be a huge advantage - imagine if Honda entered with a super powerful and reliable engine right from the start and the other manufacturers were stuck with what they have and no way to improve it.
BMW turned up with one of the best engines on the grid in 2000...lebesset wrote:would be the first time in the history of F1 if that happenedmertol wrote:Nothing can stop a manufacturer to test and develop their engine for years before entering F1. This one year delay could also be a huge advantage - imagine if Honda entered with a super powerful and reliable engine right from the start and the other manufacturers were stuck with what they have and no way to improve it.
didn't even happen back in the days of unlimited testing
