2015 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne

[kooleracer]

WHAT??

Ferrari's race pace tests revealed near zero drop off--less than any in the field.

Because Ferrari always runs lighter then any other team during free practice. Williams and Mercedes always topped to the brim. But we will get the definitive answer tomorrow.

[f300v10]

Maybe Symonds thinks the Ferrari engine has almost the same power over one lap with a fully charged ers. But lets wait and see if they can sustain this performance through the race. If I am not mistaken they had problems last year over one lap when the ers was not fully charged out of the box.

Ferrari's problem with sustained power last year was due to an undersized turbine. It could not generate enough power via the MGU-H to give max use of the MGU-K on every lap. All indications are they have rectified that problem this year as they mentioned it during the launch of the SF-15T.

[Chuckjr]

WHAT??

Ferrari's race pace tests revealed near zero drop off--less than any in the field.

Because Ferrari always runs lighter then any other team during free practice. Williams and Mercedes always topped to the brim. But we will get the definitive answer tomorrow.

Considering the huge changes at Ferrari top to bottom, I think it's a big assumption to believe their pace is only down to low fuel. Furthermore, the evidence posted in this thread a number of times does not imply that low fuel is the reason, imo.

Whatever the case, we all will know shortly a good idea of the order of race pace for the teams. Cheers.

[bdr529]

All I was doing was playing devils advocate in response to someone who outlined how poor Hamilton's qualifying record was against Rosberg last year.

Really because the quote below doesn't look like someone playing devil'a advocate, but more like someone is upset that Rosberg had a better outcome in quilifying then Hamilton last year, why else would you include the quotes from JB + Lauda

If you want to be naive and really believe Rosberg is faster than Lewis then continue to do so. It's like JB said - if Lewis gets his setup right and is happy with the car then no one else may as well bother turning up. It's just last year, he had a lot of bad luck and made lots of little mistakes, pushing too hard, whilst Rosberg was consistent and careful, which worked well

It's a personal opinion, I feel someone would be naive to think Rosberg is faster than Hamilton purely on the overall head-to-head stats of qualifying sessions from 1 season where Hamilton clearly had a lot of bad luck during several sessions and also clearly underperformed during others - more so than in comparison to Rosberg.

Maybe some peoples' issue is that regularly when someone actually states a fairly well informed opinion on this forum - they're automatically accused of being a 'fanboy'. For all you know I don't support Hamilton - I just have an opinion on his speed relative to Rosberg. Why can I not state a preference on this matter without being accused of all this bs?

You can state any preference you want, but when you end your "devil's advocate" statement with "If you want to be naive and really believe Rosberg is faster than Lewis then continue to do so" you stopped playing the devil and now your stating a personal opinion that anyone who thinks other wise is wrong. Which leads me to believe that you were not playing the devil in the first place

devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position they do not necessarily agree with for the sake of debate

I'm well of the issues that Hamilton had during qualifying last year, but who's to say that Rosberg didn't have any problems, just because he ended up with the fastest lap and pole position doesn't mean that was the absolute best lap he could've done

[Sevach]

Some of these numbers are not the same of FIA's data which are:

QUALIFYING - SPEED TRAP
POS DRIVER TEAM KM/H TIME
1 Valtteri Bottas Williams Martini Racing 329.0 17:50:50
2 Felipe Massa Williams Martini Racing 327.6 17:52:31
3 Sebastian Vettel Scuderia Ferrari 327.6 17:59:37
4 Pastor Maldonado Lotus F1 Team 327.5 17:58:50
5 Sergio Perez Sahara Force India F1 Team 325.5 17:09:53
6 Kimi Raikkonen Scuderia Ferrari 325.3 17:51:32
7 Romain Grosjean Lotus F1 Team 325.1 17:59:10
8 Marcus Ericsson Sauber F1 Team 324.7 17:14:15
9 Nico Hulkenberg Sahara Force India F1 Team 324.2 17:35:53
10 Felipe Nasr Sauber F1 Team 323.8 17:39:16
11 Nico Rosberg Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 323.1 17:52:13
12 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 323.0 17:51:41
13 Daniil Kvyat Infiniti Red Bull Racing 319.1 17:39:10
14 Daniel Ricciardo Infiniti Red Bull Racing 318.8 17:14:07
15 Carlos Sainz Jr. Scuderia Toro Rosso 315.9 17:39:26
16 Max Verstappen Scuderia Toro Rosso 314.7 17:14:25
17 Jenson Button McLaren Honda 312.8 17:06:29
18 Kevin Magnussen McLaren Honda 312.5 17:17:45

Looking at top speed at sector lines, i think Mercedes "low" top speed is due to a smaller DRS delta, on S1 and S2 (no DRS) they are faster than Ferrari and quite close to Williams, while on the finish line and the speed trap (DRS active) Ferrari gains on them and Williams "blows them away".

Data from here.
http://macofan.com/en/index.php?page=re ... s=7437&p=5

Ferrari probably still behind some in peak power, but they can mix it up now, shown not only by Ferrari's evolution but by the similar jump from Sauber (Nasr at least).

Regarding harvesting, i thought Ferrari looked good through FP, consecutive laps at a very good pace.

[bdr529]

For all you know I don't support Hamilton

Your very first post on this forum was about Hamilton, In fact of the 93 post you have 33 of them mention Hamilton , 60 of 93 mention Mercedes and 22 of the 93 mention Rosberg.

Let me play Devil's advocate: you support someone other then the above

[The Eye]

http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/ ... ds_V01.pdf

Couldn't understand the data in this document.. Plz somebody explain..

[Mansell89]

I've had a tiny little flutter on Raikkonen and Vettel to win the race tomorrow. Hamilton complaining about vibrations and Rosberg having all sorts of issues on the penultimate turn.

I remember Kimi going one less pit stop than the field when winning for Lotus a couple of years back and I expect Ferrari to go long on the medium tyres and have a gamble to make sure they jump the Williams in track position.

[SectorOne]

I don´t see Ferrari being anywhere near Mercedes. 1,4 seconds on full attack doesn´t just disappear come race day.

[3jawchuck]

http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/ ... ds_V01.pdf

Couldn't understand the data in this document.. Plz somebody explain..

They're the maximum speeds per driver for each sector.

[f1316]

I've had a tiny little flutter on Raikkonen and Vettel to win the race tomorrow. Hamilton complaining about vibrations and Rosberg having all sorts of issues on the penultimate turn.

I remember Kimi going one less pit stop than the field when winning for Lotus a couple of years back and I expect Ferrari to go long on the medium tyres and have a gamble to make sure they jump the Williams in track position.

I have a similar feeling that they could do one less stop.

I think ultimate qualifying pace difference is 1 sec without mistakes but that doesn't mean to say difference can't be less (or more) in the race. I don't think mansell is saying Ferrari are likely to win, but with the odds he must have got it seems a decent punt.

[Sevach]

http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/ ... ds_V01.pdf

Couldn't understand the data in this document.. Plz somebody explain..

This is the speed they were travelling as they crossed the S1, S2 and finish line.

[PlatinumZealot]

WHAT??

Ferrari's race pace tests revealed near zero drop off--less than any in the field.

The James Allison effect....

[CevertF1]

I have to say I think we might be in for one very long and boring season. (Unless you're a Lewis fan)

The Mercs seem to be even further in front than last year. I'm going to watch the race but I expect to be sound asleep by lap 5.

[FoxHound]

Live timing measures bottas at 331 and hamilton at 325 in Q3. Wolf blowing it out of proportions.

"As much as" does not equate to "it is".

But it is interesting that when Mercedes are down on Km/h, you suggest Wolff is "blowing it all out of proportion".
Did you not spend copious amounts of energy and posts trying to force the issue on top speed?

I'm curious as to this change of tack.

Basically Wolff is making a point, a point you seem to want to ignore.

I aint ignoring anything.
He said 10-12, reality is 6 kmh, which is substantial still, but not to the point wolff made it out to be, and that's all there is to it. Answered adequately your biting question?

You are ignoring or are totally oblivious to the "as much as" Wolff spoke of.
Where did Wolff say they were 10kmh down?
When was it measured and when did he say it?
What were the circumstances? Ie, fuel loads and tyre wear/compound etc.

Face it, you don't have a clue as to what where or when he is talking about.
If he was talking about FP speeds and interviewed after FP, how can he be held to task with information we get after qualifying?