Formula E heads to Mexico for the fourth round of the season with Bird and Virgin leading the championships, a new driver in the field. We preview what to look out for in Mexico.
Have to agree with this, Serrarno is more of a fanboy than a journalist, even more than Lobato wich should be embarrasing for himTrocola wrote: I think it's the best, because I do not like Gonzalo Serrano (aka "Sanganchao")
but at least we could watch the races live on tv
Agree, I found it crazy how many places drivers lost in the change.Andres125sx wrote:Thanks, I watched it yesterday after F1 race
And seriously, considering tracks differences (Albert Park is a really nice track while Miami is a PITA) I found FE more entertaining than F1
IMO the worst part of FE currently is the car switch. Most drivers need to practice this maneouver a lot more, there´re too many position changes between first and second race halves, so much that first part is almost useless, you need to see how car switch goes to know who will be on podium. This time Vergne and Bird where fighting for victory at first half but out of the podium at second. Well, to be fair Bird ruined his race because of entering one lap too late and running out of battery, but you get the idea, there are too many differences. Some drivers loose 6 seconds more than the mandatory time, so there are huge position changes
I'd be. Battery improvements don't happen on a snap of a finger. Much of the physics behind batteries and materials is not well understood. And they constantly run into problems.RicME85 wrote:Yeah, wouldn't be surprised if it was sooner. Perfect stage for an OEM to step in and show off their tech
True, but they´re testing new technologies like LiS for some years now, it´s not that they´ll improve battery technology on a snap of a finger, but they´ll finish current development wich is differentmzso wrote:I'd be. Battery improvements don't happen on a snap of a finger.RicME85 wrote:Yeah, wouldn't be surprised if it was sooner. Perfect stage for an OEM to step in and show off their tech
They were testing Li-S batteries in real applications in 2008, not a snap of a finger that´s true, but a long development process wich is in its final stageThe LiS battery
This technology is known for its potentially very high mechanical robustness and safety (shock, crush, puncture, and thermal stability), very high energy density and specific energy, and very high depth of discharge. It's also known for being maintenance free, lightweight, and eco-friendly. This technology helped the Zephyr set the record for the highest-altitude and longest solar/battery-powered flight in 2008.
As you see, battery development is running for many years. Take into account everybody knows EV are the future and only better batteries are a problem right now, so companies are investing huge amounts of money there because first coming out with a battery with double energy density than current Li-Ion batteries will earn some billions providing batteries to every car manufacturer in the worldIn 2012, the JCESR hub won US$120 million from the US Department of Energy to take a leap beyond Li-ion technology. Its stated goal was to make cells that, when scaled up to the sort of commercial battery packs used in electric cars, would be five times more energy dense than the standard of the day, and five times cheaper, in just five years. That means hitting a target of 400 watt-hours per kilogram (Wh kg−1) by 2017.
Precisely. Five years go by quickly when it comes to batteries. Even the huge Tesla factory is only planned to produce currently available tech and they haven't even started building it.Andres125sx wrote:True, but they´re testing new technologies like LiS for some years now, it´s not that they´ll improve battery technology on a snap of a finger, but they´ll finish current development wich is differentmzso wrote:I'd be. Battery improvements don't happen on a snap of a finger.RicME85 wrote:Yeah, wouldn't be surprised if it was sooner. Perfect stage for an OEM to step in and show off their tech
They were testing Li-S batteries in real applications in 2008, not a snap of a finger that´s true, but a long development process wich is in its final stage
400 Wh/kg is only double of the best ones on the market.Andres125sx wrote:
From second link:As you see, battery development is running for many years. Take into account everybody knows EV are the future and only better batteries are a problem right now, so companies are investing huge amounts of money there because first coming out with a battery with double energy density than current Li-Ion batteries will earn some billions providing batteries to every car manufacturer in the worldIn 2012, the JCESR hub won US$120 million from the US Department of Energy to take a leap beyond Li-ion technology. Its stated goal was to make cells that, when scaled up to the sort of commercial battery packs used in electric cars, would be five times more energy dense than the standard of the day, and five times cheaper, in just five years. That means hitting a target of 400 watt-hours per kilogram (Wh kg−1) by 2017.
Actually, I can´t think about another market where investing may be as profitable as batteries, the entire world is waiting for that
Most of them, but we´re not talking about a car manufacturer, but FE. They don´t need to comply with same standards, no need for thousands cycles wich is the weak point of LiS batteries right now so they will start using LiS batteries years before they can be used for production cars, so five years is not that crazy, not at allmzso wrote:Precisely. Five years go by quickly when it comes to batteries. Even the huge Tesla factory is only planned to produce currently available tech and they haven't even started building it.Andres125sx wrote:True, but they´re testing new technologies like LiS for some years now, it´s not that they´ll improve battery technology on a snap of a finger, but they´ll finish current development wich is differentmzso wrote: I'd be. Battery improvements don't happen on a snap of a finger.
They were testing Li-S batteries in real applications in 2008, not a snap of a finger that´s true, but a long development process wich is in its final stage
I've been following battery developments a few years now. There's a lot if interesting tech in the works, but most of them isn't near to getting marketed.
And lots of people have always been against petrol cars and petrol companies, but that didn´t stop them from being standardmzso wrote:400 Wh/kg is only double of the best ones on the market.
"Take into account everybody knows EV are the future"
This is just not true. Lots of people are against batteries or EV-s in general.
Nobody said the contrarymzso wrote:It's in the distant future where every manufacturer will be building EV-s only. Like 15-30 years.
Three???mzso wrote:Currently you have like three serious EV modells. (LEAF, i3, Model S)
And lots of people have always been against petrol cars and petrol companies, but that didn´t stop them from being standardAndres125sx wrote: "Take into account everybody knows EV are the future"
This is just not true. Lots of people are against batteries or EV-s in general.
I can provide you a list of all the benefits of EV with probably 10 points or even more, but since this is FE thread I don´t want to derail it so much. There´re many threads talking about the subject and I posted on them too, you can do a search and find it for yourselfmzso wrote:"Period" is not an argument, it's just jerkish. As such it just undermines your point.
Obviously, we´re talking about future, not presentmzso wrote:On the other hand EVs are a rather small nieche at this point.
Most EV modells are just compliance cars or experimental modells with very low production volumes and limited distribution.
No need. I'm very familiar with EVs and their current state. Still you're overly optimistic/zealous about their adaptation.Andres125sx wrote:I can provide you a list of all the benefits of EV with probably 10 points or even more, but since this is FE thread I don´t want to derail it so much.mzso wrote:"Period" is not an argument, it's just jerkish. As such it just undermines your point.
