Espionage at Ferrari and McLaren

[modbaraban]

And how's that answering my question?

Sorry, I must have missed the line where you asked me. Would you care to repeat?

[FLC]

You must have missed the quotation of Dave's words, cause the question was meant for him, and you obviously tried to answer it.
I'll discuss this with who ever wishes to step up, cause I really do believe it's pure rubbish.

[modbaraban]

You must have missed the quotation of Dave's words, cause the question was meant for him, and you obviously tried to answer it.

No I didn't miss that and didn't try to answer it either. Just added a bit of wood to the fire I do agree with Flav about the ECUs though.

[m3_lover]

And how's that answering my question?

Briatore also went out against BS becoming the sole supplier at the time. Does that make it a fact that these moves are meant to create an advantage for certain teams? This is the evidence?

Nobody answered my question from page 20 of this thread..still hoping somebody can show me evidence about it

In case you guys forgot to see it
"Besides the floor board issue... all the Ferrari fans have said that Mclaren must have benefited from those pages...I want to see how is that possible with factoids and illustration's that show the link between the technical information and the Mclaren mp-22. If you no information is shown that is fact based then I suggest we get over it or wait until it gets resolved...there is a reason why speculation is a bad word in Finance!! "

[nae]

If one was presented with documents one would have to divert time and effort to understand them and the effects they might have in one's own designs.

at a rough guess this would take at least a year to develop and understand those designs.

better just stick with your on 'known source' designs

I mean its not beyond the realms of possibility the designs are false and are ment to divert energy away from 'the silver teams' r and d

sure a knowledge of fuel tank size would infer an advantage, but the simple facts of the new qualy system and the ways races are now run means it is not as significant as it once was.

[FLC]

Mclaren was already found guilty. That's the small difference. I don't remember BS have been found guilty at anything, even just a technical one.

Oh, and that little cute "besides" at the beginning of the quote - that's also funny.

[dumrick]

Oh, and that little cute "besides" at the beginning of the quote - that's also funny.

Nothing's funny about it. Ferrari cheated and got discovered. You would be all happy if it wasn't, I'm sure, but dissimulating a cheat and getting caught is no honorable thing to brag about.
It has nothing to do with the "mass damper" case and other things that were deemed illegal because of VERY "creative" reasoning by the FIA. I'm talking about doing something that is written in the regulations that is not allowed, doing it and covering it. I'm talking about the n-th time that Ferrari's face is covered in mud because of lack of sportsmanship and cheating. Not even "creative thinking"...
It seems that the FIA is very keen in ruling things as "illegal" when they advantage teams other than Ferrari with absurd arguments and fail to see every time Ferrari is deliberately cheating. they even employ the same creative thinking to endorse some of Ferrari's clearly illegal developments (see the movable aero devices that were classified as "brake ducts" whatever design Ferrari employs for them). This time, let's be happy that no reasoning could make a movable floor legal.

It is not the competition that gets benefits from discovering cheats. It's the sport altogether and it's general image.

[Tom]

*yawn* isn't all that history now?
I mean sure history can be interesting, like the link Ciro rewarded us all with before, Jackie Stewart commentating one of the greatest circuits in history, or his information on J M Fangio's last race.
But then again some history is best forgotten, i.e. barge board a few mm too wide, flexy wings, illegal floors, even mass damping. I think if we forgot all these things we'd be much happier people.
And your all being pretty naive anyway, each team on the grid is cheating every reg they can get away with, some just get caught...

[FLC]

You quote one thing, and reply to something else. He contradicted himself with that "besides" and I noted that, and you make it a brag about something which is not honorable. Creativity indeed.

Never the less, If the car was illegal it wouldn't have passed scrutinee before and after the race, so I guess that's creative thinking in the pure meaning of it.
Rest assure that Ferrari isn't the only team looking for the holes in the book, and so it should be.
I didn't see any of you complain so much about Mclaren's bridge wing, while it's obvious that it bends more than it should according to "the holy spirit" of the rules, but it does pass the tests and so it is legal. Why is it so hard to understand when it's Ferrari?

If you want some answers about the mass damper I think you should go ask RD about it, since even Flavio admitted he was the one to complain about it.

And one more. Even if we assumed you are right, and Ferrari was cheating it still isn't right if Mclaren used that particular information to complain about it. If a low life felon cant be charged based on unauthorized wiretapping and the ones who set up the wires lose their jobs, or even end up in prison, I dont see how that should be different in F1. Even cheaters has rights, or so it appears. Wasn't Mclaren innocent until proven guilty?!

[Scuderia_Russ]

Oh, and that little cute "besides" at the beginning of the quote - that's also funny.

Nothing's funny about it. Ferrari cheated and got discovered.

Every team in motorsport cheats. EVERY TEAM!

[nae]

Its only a crime if you get caught

[manchild]

Every team in motorsport cheats. EVERY TEAM!

I agree, but some of teams are just pickpockets compared to some other teams that are mafia bosses.

Since we're talking about fishy things, Ferrari would be like Moby Dick relative to can of sardines (all other teams).

[mx_tifoso]

Its only a crime if you get caught

Even if you get caught, you probably won't be punished for your criminal actions.

[waynes]

oh my god

http://newsbiscuit.com/article/formula- ... -brawl-174

[allan]

OH COMMON
i dont believe a single word of that!!
A funny article though