Honda F1 project leader Yusuke Hasegawa has outlined a number of reasons why Honda has been struggling so badly in the beginning of the 2017 Formula One season. He confirmed that lots of problems were not discovered while running on the dynamo meter.
Except it never happened!Jef Patat wrote:It's fun that they now actually put their source in bold:
http://www.marca.com/2015/05/17/motor/f ... 93242.html
There's a feature on Fox with Mukumoto on the latest development of the Mclaren Honda. I briefly caught a glimpse of it just now. When it's available on demand I will post some of the excerpts here.
Q: Hi Ryo, nice to meet you here. Could you tell us the latest development of Honda?
RM: Hi. Currently we are no near top. We are developing still, but it's no easy. We have good (progress), about half (50%) and we continue to fight. We have good onwards from the engine, but right now we are still too far.
Q: Alright, what's the problem with the engine these few races?
RM: We cannot run full like others. Our engineers good work in Japan and we have manage to reach getting 70% full power in supeingo (Spain), and we will try to extract more from power engine. The way our engine designed mean's it's all new and we cannot examples from the rest, we have to experiment ourselves. The position of various key components are unique and some are not ideal, but some good. We did alot of research before coming up with this design, I admit some have not worked but we change them soon use tokens and they will good.
Q: Could you see Mclaren-Honda winning a race this season?
RM: No, difficult next season too. You know new team hard to win race, compare to the rest who work long together. We will try to win a race next year, but no guarantees in motor. Our target is to be near 3rd team (Williams) at the end of this season. It would be a good (achievement) if we do it.
Q: We have heard a lot of things about the Mclaren chassis and the size zero rear end. Care to share more about it?
RM: Eh... small size good for aero, and we package our power (engine) to match it. There is more to (extract) it, but currently if you notice we have not make big steps in aero. There is a big change coming up (b-spec), on target for England (Silverstone). It will be launched with our new engine.
Either two things happened here with that story...Mesteño wrote:Sorry but, it DID happen. I won't post a link because I'm not sure if I can, but if you read Autosport forums about MP4-30 you'll find that someone called Clrnc posted an interview as he heard it in FOX featurette. This is what he wrote on may the 16:
There's a feature on Fox with Mukumoto on the latest development of the Mclaren Honda. I briefly caught a glimpse of it just now. When it's available on demand I will post some of the excerpts here.
Q: Hi Ryo, nice to meet you here. Could you tell us the latest development of Honda?
RM: Hi. Currently we are no near top. We are developing still, but it's no easy. We have good (progress), about half (50%) and we continue to fight. We have good onwards from the engine, but right now we are still too far.
Q: Alright, what's the problem with the engine these few races?
RM: We cannot run full like others. Our engineers good work in Japan and we have manage to reach getting 70% full power in supeingo (Spain), and we will try to extract more from power engine. The way our engine designed mean's it's all new and we cannot examples from the rest, we have to experiment ourselves. The position of various key components are unique and some are not ideal, but some good. We did alot of research before coming up with this design, I admit some have not worked but we change them soon use tokens and they will good.
Q: Could you see Mclaren-Honda winning a race this season?
RM: No, difficult next season too. You know new team hard to win race, compare to the rest who work long together. We will try to win a race next year, but no guarantees in motor. Our target is to be near 3rd team (Williams) at the end of this season. It would be a good (achievement) if we do it.
Q: We have heard a lot of things about the Mclaren chassis and the size zero rear end. Care to share more about it?
RM: Eh... small size good for aero, and we package our power (engine) to match it. There is more to (extract) it, but currently if you notice we have not make big steps in aero. There is a big change coming up (b-spec), on target for England (Silverstone). It will be launched with our new engine.
And this is from where I suppose Marca wrote the news. 05/17/2015.
The use of tokens should only focus on performance updates, as reliability updates can be done throughout the season.Andres125sx wrote:According to Marca, Honda will use most tokens and bring a new PU for Hungaroring
Hopefully they know how to stop all those reliability problems, because perfomance is constantly improving, but reliability looks like a more serious problem. Who cares how fast they are if they can´t finish the race? Honda PU may be most powerful theoretically, but if reliablitiy prevent them from unlocking the potential that´s useless
I´m confident anycase, we´ll see
No one knows for sure. But the Mclaren had good pace on the force indias in that race.Arminho wrote:Since he claims that Spain was 70% of what the PU can do, does anyone know how much Ferrari or Mercedes are extracting during the race? ..is it significantly more?
Oh yes it does. It runs in stealth modus for the strategistsPlatinumZealot wrote:... The car has no weaknesses.
Sadly, I can't find anyone offering a degree programme in post combustion flow right now...Jef Patat wrote:No, not in simple terms. Different flame fronts, different flows, different mixture, different precombustion flow, different post combustion flow, different charging, ... And all that within rules.
Smart people have degrees in these separate topics.
Jef Patat wrote:No, not in simple terms. Different flame fronts, different flows, different mixture, different precombustion flow, different post combustion flow, different charging, ... And all that within rules.
Smart people have degrees in these separate topics.
Not unimaginable in the slightest. These engines are rigidly mounted and a structural part of the chassis which means at various RPM's you can get very bad resonances. These resonances can shake components and connections loose. Cause things to rub and wear or wires to chaff. Cause excess wear on mechanical components. As well as cause fatigue wear. That is just unpredicted vibrations. Now let's factor in very large sustained G forces (I would imagine some of the engine rigs might be able to create small instantaneous G loadings). It would be impossible to simulate the sustained G forces on an engine and how this might affect reliability. Temperature issues will probably come up as you change the packaging of the car and where components are in relation to various heat sources in the engine compartment, I.e. ICE block and head, turbocharger turbine, exhaust, etcJef Patat wrote:Well, that's a good question, but sadly nobody that can will answer it.
Not on the dyno seems unimaginable. Maybe they didn't take enough variables on the dyno?
For example: I know for one the place I worked the air intake was just ambient air, but maybe the air intake behaves differently when drive 300kph causing different precombustion flow, ...? I don't know, just guessing out loud.
