2015 Monaco Grand Prix - 21-24 May

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Jonnycraig wrote:
J0rd4n wrote:
Jonnycraig wrote:Incredible scenes with the Hamilton fans melting down over Hamiltons own error.

Incredible that Ricciardo avoided a penalty as well.
Hamilton's own error? It was not his decision to pit. The team told him to do it and he obeyed.
He was too fast under the SC and caught it, loosing him P1 & P2. Driver error, as Toto has just said to Sky.
No Toto didn't said that. Toto said, Lewis said his tyres were getting colder, but most importantly, they got confused with the gap. They thought it was enough to bring him in front, but the gap was not that much.

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Can't believe people are actually blaming Lewis for this. Absolutely clueless. Neither Rosberg nor Vettel were going to pit so why would the team risk him doing it? Lewis lost the race through no fault of his own.

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I guess if they had pitted neither car Ferrari might have made the last minute call to come in and maybe have a chance at having a go at the end.

If they'd pitted both cars then Vettel would have stayed out and won the race.

But still, it's Monaco keep track position; as we saw, no way Vettel would have get past even with nw super softs.

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Stupid race by mercedes....
What more can Hamilton do after this?
Perfect race! and your team still messed it up for you.
For Sure!!

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J0rd4n wrote:Can't believe people are actually blaming Lewis for this. Absolutely clueless. Neither Rosberg nor Vettel were going to pit so why would the team risk him doing it? Lewis lost the race through no fault of his own.
Oh that's normal isn't it. Those who doesn't like him are happy and want to blame him rather than the useless people at merc.

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bauc wrote:Holy ---, why did Mercedes pitted HAM, surely they had the numbers about the gap & everything else. This is bad for HAM but good for the championship
They couldn't know if Seb was going to Change to fresh Super Softs. So they were forced to decide if they want to cover or risk being overtaken after the resart. Seing the gap they surely hoped it would work. The fact that Lewis got caught behind the SC killed the vaildity of the plan.

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Mercedes just gifted Rosberg 17 points vs. Hamilton.

Very mature post race interview by Hamilton. I'm impressed.
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How idiotic Nico was looking there, celebrating a win that he fully know he didn't earned. I remember when Barrichello left the race win to Michael, Michael was far more gracious. May be that's the difference between great drivers and cheap ones.
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henra wrote:
SectorOne wrote:That so called best strategist in the paddock needs to pack his bags and leave.
Although it was obviously a gross error in hindsight the same would have been said had they left Lewis on the Primes and Vettel changed to Options and would have overtaken after restart. It was a split seconds decision and they had to decide before Vettel. Had they decided to Change Nicos tyres instead of Lewis' to cover Seb and had he been able to overtake Lewis after the restart everyone would have cried bloody murder. So it was a clear lose-lose Situation for that poor strategy guy. I wouldn't want to have been in his shoes in that Situation, honestly
Pitting would only have been a good decision if you had never seen a single Monaco race ever.

Track position is KING. Doesn´t matter if you have 50 lap old tires or not.
Without a doubt the most brain dead decision ever in the history of the team.

It´s simple really. What´s the achilles heel of the Mercedes team right now? Strategy.
Who´s doing the strategy? firstname lastname = fired and replaced.
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Vettel with Brundle :lol: . Love the guy.

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How idiotic Nico was looking there, celebrating a win that he fully know he didn't earned. I remember when Barrichello left the race win to Michael, Michael was far more gracious. May be that's the difference between great drivers and cheap ones.
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Gotta say HAM was impressively calm in the podium (sic...) interview. I fully expected him to be fuming.

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Image

The team knows where the blame lies...
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I think what Mercedes did makes sense if they wanted to guarantee the victory. They obviously were not 100% certain that the tyres would last to end if someone from the back came on fresh tires, so they split the strategy between the two drivers to make sure one of them did the right thing. One could of course argue that Rosberg should have been the one gambling on the riskier strategy, but on the other hand, Hamilton seemed to have time for a stop.

Anyway, this is what we get as long as formula 1 insists on using a safety car when accidents happens. It is an unfair concept by nature to rob everyone of the time advantage they have built up over the race and some times the best drivers have to pay the price of someone else's mistake. This has happened many times before and it will happen again. On a side note, safety car is only unfair, it is also an extremely inefficient way of maintaining safety, as cleaning of the track is hampered by the field passing every 2 minutes, and some times driving under safety car could also be risky. My understanding is that the reason safety car is used in formula 1 is to creat excitement and to some times put new life into a race that seemed over. In other words, the very purpose is to accomplish exactly what happened to Hamilton today.

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GPR-A wrote:
J0rd4n wrote:Can't believe people are actually blaming Lewis for this. Absolutely clueless. Neither Rosberg nor Vettel were going to pit so why would the team risk him doing it? Lewis lost the race through no fault of his own.
Oh that's normal isn't it. Those who doesn't like him are happy and want to blame him rather than the useless people at merc.
Are you serious. Noone actually dislikes Lewis. His fans however, have garnered their fair share of dislike by constantly proclaiming Lewis to be some sort of racing Messiah.
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