What caused Hamilton's tyre to delaminate?

[FLC]

Hamilton should have been punished for driving with that blown tyre. He could have damaged the suspension and make it break off on track. Not.

Oh and JPM should have left his shaking mirror on also, instead of ripping it off. There's no chance it would've flown right into his helmet. He should have parked the car, where it's safe ofcourse, take off the mirror, discard it safely, put on a new one, from the spare kit in the trunk, and do the mirror test too, so that we're sure it is OK.

I suggest the drivers should carry a bright yellow or orange jackets for this sort of incidents also. Only then will we have safe tracks.
In fact, this reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKHuHM2cp5k

It's pretty amazing how you can connect between MS and this incident MC, pretty amazing.

[bhall]

I did it.

[manchild]

I imagine Kovalainen (or was it Fisi?) coming back top pick up his rim cover that fell off.

So if Massa should have gone off to the grass to throw it away:

- he was supposed to do it at full speed
- slow down/stop causing a yellow flag situation

underline the right option.

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I can't see the difference in being biased ProFerrari or AntiFerrari

He caused a yellow flag situation by throwing an object on the circuit surface - please read the marshaling guidebook.

http://www.marshals.co.uk/new/files/msfguide.pdf

There would be absolutely no difference if drunk spectator throw a beer can with what Massa did because both were deliberate actions. I'm not sure if there were yellow flags because of it but that is absolutely no question that he deliberately caused an yellow flag incident.

If a rim would fall off from any car it would be an accident not deliberate action of a driver.

Hamilton should have been punished for driving with that blown tyre. He could have damaged the suspension and make it break off on track...

Massa's action was deliberate. If his helmet aero bit flew away by itself than it would have been an accident. He could have at least go off ideal line to throw it away there but no - he was a crybaby thinking only about 10 points.

[FLC]

If we follow your twisted logic, LH's puncture was indeed deliberate. According to BS he compensated for the understeer he had in such a way that it made the tyre suffer more than it could. Bottom line is that he had an insufficient car in terms of performance, he prob. knew it, and so by staying in the race, or not slowing down through turn 8, he was risking the safety of other drivers. He should have come into the pits to get a few clicks, or change the tyres. He didn't. What a sportsman... Shame on him!

[mx_tifoso]

Faulty cause and affect.

No logical proof exists that Massa's action caused Hamilton's tire puncture. Pure speculation by an anti-Ferrari activist.

Please come to reason Manchild. There is no point in this argument of yours. Simply because you dislike Ferrari doesn't mean you have to protest every single action they take.

[manchild]

Of course. I don't know what caused his puncture. I might have been Massa but that's just might.

[modbaraban]

Massa's action was deliberate. If his helmet aero bit flew away by itself than it would have been an accident. He could have at least go off ideal line to throw it away there but no - he was a crybaby thinking only about 10 points.

Hellooo! The thing wasn't fixed properly and was about to fall off anyway! You don't tear pieces off your helmet just for fun

[wazojugs]

Hamilton tyre failed due the that techincal terms called "chunking".

[Scuderia_Russ]

Manchild. You need to get out more!

[manchild]

Manchild. You need to get out more!

Absolutely correct!

[Tom]

I don't see a problem with what either driver did, they are concentrating on hitting every apex, not flinging the car off the track and their pit signals, add another factor and expct them to cope in a reasonable and completely logical manner is ridiculous.

In a race I had a tyre coming off the rim, I knew because I could feel it, I also knew that to slow down and try and keep it on meant I'd fall right to the back, so I continued flat out, the tyre came off before half the lap and I continued on the limit, recording a respectable time. It really didn't occur to me, even when the tyre came off, that I should slow down more than absolubtly nessicery, even though the car was highly unstable, sliding and digging in all the time.

It was dangerous but i know any other competitor would do exactly the same, just like Hamilton did, just like Massa did, and bear in mind that most driver had a car that was dangerously undrivable at some point during the race, but because it never caught up with them we never found out about it.

I'd do the same again, esspecially as the hot racer chick helped me get the car fixed for the next race, I certainly don't regret doing it.

[Venom]

[modbaraban]

I'd do the same again, esspecially as the hot racer chick helped me get the car fixed for the next race, I certainly don't regret doing it.

So now you make sure to puncture a tyre before every race, right?

[scarbs]

I'd just like to point out the part Massa threw from his Schuberth helmet was not carbon fibre, its simple moulded plastic part. Its not likely to do any damage to anything...


If we're talking about danger, I'd say any driver bringing a car back to the pits with a exploded tyre and\or broken suspension should park up. It'd save the debris being scattered around the track...

[Rob W]

Excellent thread. I see where Manchild is coming from - at what point does one racers (non-driving) actions become his own responsibility?

Massa wasn't trying to do anything other than fix his own problem. If this part had caused a crash and someone was hurt or killed do you think the finger would be pointed at him? Yes.. by some.

Did he technically make a rule infringement? Maybe.. serious enough to warrant a punishment? I doubt it.

Rob W