2015 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 03-05 July

[LionKing]

Kimi has called it.

In any case, as usual Kimi can not drive well in wet conditions. He was passed by Vettel where quickly when the rain came, and shortly Kvyat would be the next to pass him. Kimi would have been 7th at most even if he stayed out. Instead he finished in a distant 8th but still only 2 points difference...

[Juzh]

Yep, it was all kimi

[Sevach]

Part of the reason why Vettel caught Kimi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CowtAuigNz8

No one touched his rear end here

[PlatinumZealot]

Not to go off topic, but I think Kimi's problem is his lack of patience on the throttle. He wants to get more out of the car by going early on the throttle. A tactic that used to work when you had stable rear ends and low torque engines. It's like he just can't get this way of thinking out of his head. Some people are saying that he needs traction control to drive well, but I do not believe that one bit, he is better than that. It is all in his head.

[Silent Storm]

Not to go off topic, but I think Kimi's problem is his lack of patience on the throttle. He wants to get more out of the car by going early on the throttle. A tactic that used to work when you had stable rear ends and low torque engines. It's like he just can't get this way of thinking out of his head. Some people are saying that he needs traction control to drive well, but I do not believe that one bit, he is better than that. It is all in his head.

Kimi's problem is his driving style.. He has always used more throttle to correct understeer which Fernando does too but as we know Kimi sets up his car to be very oversteery and with high torque engine and the lack of downforce in these cars plus the SF15-T has such incredible traction that it makes his case worse.

[Vasconia]

Kimi has called it.

In any case, as usual Kimi can not drive well in wet conditions. He was passed by Vettel where quickly when the rain came, and shortly Kvyat would be the next to pass him. Kimi would have been 7th at most even if he stayed out. Instead he finished in a distant 8th but still only 2 points difference...

I thought this happened because Kimi pitted too early and his wet tyres were destroyed at that point of the race.

[Vasconia]

Rain was a gift for Rosberg and a nightmare for Williams and Raikkonen. I wonder who call for the early tire change, Kimi or the team?

Well, at first yes but when Hamilton pitted one lap earlier than Nico the race was done. It was a pity because at this moment NIco was clearly faster than Lewis and he was going to put him under a great pressure.

Williams ruined its race due to a poor strategy, once again. They can blame the rain but they lost the race when Massa was being slower than Bottas, he should have passed the Brazilian and open a gap. They didnt do it and they lost the race, later on with the rain, they even lost the podium. Terrible job by the team.

[f1316]

Sorry if this has already been said, but the part I don't understand is why Williams didn't anticipate Hamilton stopping and pit Massa at the same time. We all heard Mercedes saying "box box box" to Lewis half a lap before he stopped and once he stopped first it was obvious what was going to happen.

[Vasconia]

The air brake tested Verstappen junior (sorry I couldn't help myself) as opposed to driver error. Excuses machine of Red Bull is getting weirder and weirder. Yesterday Ricciardo pretended he didn't go off track as if it can be questioned.

Ugh why can't they let it as it was? You know something is wrong when Mercedes is trying to convince the crowd that it was some tactical personal masterstroke that "decided" the race. No, LH was leading and kept the lead with no competition and they are acting as if he jumped five drivers with some slicks on full wets track against the odds brilliance.

Hamilton didn't make any calls, he was slow and destroyed his tyres, was losing time to Rosberg and had no other choice, on top of that he was leading and pitstop of his team mate took out the only competition he had. Way to cover a bad decision, trying to convince the other part was something different than it was. Reminds me of "perfect" yet very close to retirement Canada race.

I think that Lewis was lucky at that moment, he destroyed the tyres, Nico was catching him, and he decided to pit. I cant deny that he took the good choice with the tyres but its also undeniable that he was lucky. After this moment and with the same tyres he was faster than nico during the semi-wet conditions, as he has always been.

Another mistake from Verstappen, he is too young, he needs time to gain some experience. On the other hand Sainz was perfect again, I hope he starts to receive more recognition because of his great job. It was very sad to see him out of the race, because the rain was an excellent oportunity for him.

[Vasconia]

Sorry if this has already been said, but the part I don't understand is why Williams didn't anticipate Hamilton stopping and pit Massa at the same time. We all heard Mercedes saying "box box box" to Lewis half a lap before he stopped and once he stopped first it was obvious what was going to happen.

The problem was, once again, that Williams was too afraid of splitting the strategies.

[SiLo]

Well, at first yes but when Hamilton pitted one lap earlier than Nico the race was done. It was a pity because at this moment NIco was clearly faster than Lewis and he was going to put him under a great pressure.

This is true, but Wolff has confirmed it was Lewis' call to pit, so he deserved his nice lead. Rosberg could have stacked behind him and been a lot closer because of it.

[Andres125sx]

just let bottas make his race, try to pass massa, like every other driver. instead they stop him and erase any (small) chance of winning the race.

IMO, with that strategy the race could have been repeated 10 times from lap 4 (both Williams in the front) and Williams will win none. No with two cars around one second per lap faster than they.

They didn´t need a fair fight, they need to work as a team. We´ve seen the correct strategy many times in the past, when Bottas passed Hamilton he was actually giving his team the oportunity for a victory. He just had to keep a gap with Massa... ok he could have tried an onvertake, but once it was proven that was not posible (thank you again aero rules, not even DRS can solve this problem, someone will realize some day?) he should have stayed some seconds behind so Mercedes guys couldn´t undercut them two, so they would have had the victory in the pocket

Then the rain and all this would have been useless, but at that point, keeping both cars so close was too stupid for a F1 team, instead of a 1-3 or 1-4, they let them fight for the second position on a 2-3 strategy

[iotar__]

This is your race, left Rosberg - right Hamilton:
38 1:48.709 38 1:49.338 = Rosberg 0,603 quicker
39 1:47.629 39 1:49.591 = Rosberg 0.962 quicker
40 1:42.769 40 1:43.748 = Rosberg 0.979 quicker
41 1:41.895 41 1:43.864 = Rosberg 1.969 quicker
42 1:39.183 42 1:41.184 = Rosberg 2.001 quicker

6,5 s in five laps, 1,3 s per lap quicker, that wasn't by "choice" and neither was the rain

44 P 1:53.679 44 2:09.721
45 2:13.409 45 1:52.659
46 1:51.473 46 1:51.281
...and how it was decided for Rosberg, same tyres (-1), Hamilton was leading and he could have only lost either by being slower (check) and/or worse strategy (nope) but not with Merc controlling it, everything else is talking. So one simple question to close it: do you really think Merc left Rosberg hoping it would give him advantage over LH and therefore problems of them racing? Options were limited once they knew LH was coming in.

Same applies to multiple headlines I saw - "did Williams lose the win through team orders?", what race were they watching on top of holier than thou TO approach? Rosberg overtook both on track (so of course rain helped him too) and Bottas was considerably slower than Massa in the wet.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

This is your race, left Rosberg - right Hamilton:
38 1:48.709 38 1:49.338 = Rosberg 0,603 quicker
39 1:47.629 39 1:49.591 = Rosberg 0.962 quicker
40 1:42.769 40 1:43.748 = Rosberg 0.979 quicker
41 1:41.895 41 1:43.864 = Rosberg 1.969 quicker
42 1:39.183 42 1:41.184 = Rosberg 2.001 quicker

6,5 s in five laps, 1,3 s per lap quicker, that wasn't by "choice" and neither was the rain

It's a Miracle !!! Suddenly, the god in Rosberg awoke and ALMOST WON. But slept with Inters on.

44 P 1:53.679 44 2:09.721
45 2:13.409 45 1:52.659
46 1:51.473 46 1:51.281
...and how it was decided for Rosberg, same tyres (-1), Hamilton was leading and he could have only lost either by being slower (check) and/or worse strategy (nope) but not with Merc controlling it, everything else is talking. So one simple question to close it: do you really think Merc left Rosberg hoping it would give him advantage over LH and therefore problems of them racing? Options were limited once they knew LH was coming in.

Same applies to multiple headlines I saw - "did Williams lose the win through team orders?", what race were they watching on top of holier than thou TO approach? Rosberg overtook both on track (so of course rain helped him too) and Bottas was considerably slower than Massa in the wet.

He was fast just by fluke and couldn't be faster when the tires changed. Which clearly is the proof that he was just in a lucky situation to come closer. But Lewis called a gem and got right in the window of opportunity. Who knows what was going on with Lewis' car when Nico was approaching fast. No ifs and buts, the deserving driver won. Nico was plain lucky that rain helped him to overtake Bottas, which he couldn't have done in dry. If the rain allowed Nico the advantage of passing Williams' and coming closer to Lewis, the rain again made it even. In the end Lewis won by 10 Seconds !!! That's how much slower Rosberg was.

[LionKing]

Kimi has called it.

In any case, as usual Kimi can not drive well in wet conditions. He was passed by Vettel where quickly when the rain came, and shortly Kvyat would be the next to pass him. Kimi would have been 7th at most even if he stayed out. Instead he finished in a distant 8th but still only 2 points difference...

I thought this happened because Kimi pitted too early and his wet tyres were destroyed at that point of the race.

No, Vettel passed Kimi just before Kimi's stop to intermediates when both were on dry weather hard tires. They were pretty much in the same situation having pit for those hard tires before on consecutive laps.