Espionage at Ferrari and McLaren

[modbaraban]

To me it's

either the sides have come to agreement and the 'new evidences' are just a way to avoid public hearing

or

Todt tries his best to distract McLaren from actual racing for as much as possible.



Either way I can't see McLaren being penalized in any way... maybe fined.

That gearbox fuss quite confirms one of these.

[mahesh248]

finally some action , now what no gear box at monza ,, eheheh would be funny ...

[mahesh248]

what the half , u guys think J.T made up all these , thats out of mind ... u guys should be doing journalism

[tomislavp4]

This is geting ridiculous!!! [-(

[Principessa]

The sport is being stained with nothing but scandals! It's really ruining the sport and nobody seems to mind

[manchild]

The sport is being stained with nothing but scandals

There were no scandals when Ferrari dominated for 5 years. Isn't it strange? Every season when someone is better than Ferrari FIA gets all over it like flies on the crap. In 2005, 2006 it was Renault, now it is Mclaren. Pattern is so obvious.

[millerjam]

Does anyone remember the outcome of the original spy scandal this season? How Super Aguri manged to get hold of technical drawings of the Red Bull/Torro Rosso?
Is there then a precedent for how the FIA have dealt with this sort of thing?

[Principessa]

I don't think that there really was a big case on that. I also believe it was Spyker who got a hold on the drawings and not Super Aguri

[manchild]

Does anyone remember the outcome of the original spy scandal this season? How Super Aguri manged to get hold of technical drawings of the Red Bull/Torro Rosso?
Is there then a precedent for how the FIA have dealt with this sort of thing?

You mean how Torro Rosso manged to get hold of technical drawings of the Red Bull?

It was covered up because Mateschitz is Mosley's personal friend. The result - Spyker dead.

[millerjam]

Ha ha, yeah that was a long time ago!! Seems a bit two faced that one team gets investigated for potential espionage and the other who, with concrete evidence doesn't...rubbish. Doesn't it pretty much amount to the same thing though...

[bhall]

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19579.html

That could change everything.

[FLC]

I have no idea why you chose to discuss the gearbox thing in this thread, but it's pretty obvious from some of the posts that some of you actually believe that Ferrari is guilty of anything that is wrong in the world of F1.
Be that as it may, maybe others would be able to accept the fact that Mclaren slipped and was punished for it. Very quickly and relatively lightly (50K$ wouldn't destroy them), I must add, and so saving them trouble and worries.

There is nothing to do with the "Italian Grand Prix stewards", which doesn't necessarily make all of them Italians, if at all.

What's really amazing, Manchild, is that you somehow skipped the obvious safety issue of this matter, which you considered yourself to passionately pursue.
The rules states that "any significant modification introduced into any of the structures tested shall require that part to pass a further test".
I'm not an engineer, maybe others could enlighten us more, but couldn't a reduction in weight weaken the structure, and should be considered a "significant" modification? and if so, and Mclaren didn't test that part as the rules demand, don't you think they might have put the safety of their drivers in danger? Even worse, and the FIA didn't act, where would you draw the line? When would it be OK for teams to ignore this rules, the most important of them, or just postpone their implementation to next week?

EDIT: Just read on autosport that reduction in weight doesn't necessarily weakens the structure, but "The view of the FIA is that the percentage in weight reduction (which it is accepted does not necessarily correlate to a reduction in strength) was of sufficient magnitude as to be regarded as "significant" therefore requiring an impact test before use".

[Principessa]

http://www.f1technical.net/news/6963
50.000dollar fine for McLaren


This thread is turning into a warzone again I'm afraid. Well, hear me out: I'm a Renault fan so I don't take sides because I'm fan of one of the teams involved. I just have to say that I don't think that McLaren is being judged in a fair way. Everything they do at the moment is under a microscope and this as a result of the espionage accusations. I can't help it, but I can believe McLaren when they say they didn't knew about Coughlan and the documents and I believe that they didn't use it on the car. I'll give an example: If you're the boss of a big company and one of your employers is busy with criminal activities (like washing drug money clean or so) and the police discovers it. Do you also need to be punished as a boss because your employer did something wrong?

[manchild]

Sorry FLC, I wasn't talking about gearbox issue at all since this is espionage thread.

[FLC]

OK, I apologies then. I knew that issue doesn't belong here at all.

Maybe you should say a few words then?