2015 Hungarian Grand Prix - 24-26 July

[RZS10]

- Mercedes - "no, we won't give you softs Nico" (looks like drivers don't make calls at Mercedes afterall)

Rosberg was asking for Mediums early on in the race, the team wanted to give him softs

[enckboaz]

can someone explain to me why for the same crash maldonado was given 5 sec penalty and hamilton only the drive through?

[SectorOne]

I wonder what´s up with Mercedes starts, they both had terrible starts.

Did they get so bullish that they decided to try the new starting regs one race prior to Belgium for experience?

[ChrisM40]

can someone explayn to me why for the same crash maldonado was given 5 sec penalty and hamilton only the drive through?

Only? A drive through is the worse penalty.

[enckboaz]

can someone explayn to me why for the same crash maldonado was given 5 sec penalty and hamilton only the drive through?

Only? A drive through is the worse penalty.

yes your right, but still different penalities for the same type of crash. Am i wrong?

[ChrisM40]

There is still a scale of how bad the crash was, how at fault you were and how much effect it had.

[Sevach]

I don't think Ricciardo deserves a penalty, just bad luck there.

I'm unsure wether Hamilton vs Ricciardo was just a mistake or bully tactics... either way he got punished for it.

This. I cant see any blame for Ric in the incident with Rosberg. It might have looked out of control due to the tire smoke, but he did make the corner and was on the power. It was Rosberg, who, in full control of his car, cut across Ric in that moment, causing damage to his own car and the one on Rics. I called it as a race incident, because of this. If i were to put blame on to someone, i might lean on Rosberg. The fact that both got damaged, it equals out somewhat.

On hamilton with Ric... Well unfortunate. I would have guessed it would be called a race incident because it happened at the restart, which IMO is a crucial point. Cars were still cold and at that point entirely unpredictable to a point. Hamilton locked up due to this, which put him on a trajectory that would have seen him make the corner, but not with Ric being there. Ric is blameless, although he was on the outside, which is always a risky move, especially in somewhat unpredictable circumstances. He put himself there, and could continue without issues. Hamilton had to pit, so on this basis, i would have called it a race incident. He had to go through the pits twice (nose, then penalty) and make it back to 6th. If someone was too blame, i'd lean on Hamilton, although to be fair, by the time he was on the inside, he was a passenger to the state of the tires and the trajectory.

As for the race... Well what could have been. I thonk Hamilton was easily the quickest car outthere, though his race was seriously compromised by his eagerness to attack Rosberg, had to avoid and left the track and lose massively. Amazing how he could get back from that!

Rosberg... Well, seemed to me he was sleeping the entire race. Didnt have a chance at all vs both Ferraris until the very end on medium tires after the safety car.

Ricciardo = wow. I was rooting for him for the win, potty it didnt work out. Also kimi too, what a shame. He has a good race, then sees it evaporate due to a car fault...

The Ricciardo vs Rosberg, neither guy was pushing the bounds of fairness nor made clear and undeniable mistakes... so i think fair enough.

Hamilton was clearly the one to blame even if all he did was pick an optimistic braking point, Ricciardo was again holding his line and was collided into with a certain violence and forced out of the track, and since i don't think the FIA should punish based on the consequences... i think his penalty was completely fair.

While it's likely that Hamilton had some performance advantage on Vettel, i feel the need to say that Vettel was likely just keeping things under control at the point were both had free tracks ahead of them since this always gets brought up in reverse when someone points out (like say in Canada) that someone else had comparable pace to a Merc.

[evered7]

can someone explain to me why for the same crash maldonado was given 5 sec penalty and hamilton only the drive through?

Both got drive throughs if I remember it right.

Edit: this is from Autosport:

12:41 Maldonado gets a drive through penalty for running into Perez.

[Sevach]

I wonder what´s up with Mercedes starts, they both had terrible starts.

Did they get so bullish that they decided to try the new starting regs one race prior to Belgium for experience?

At Hungaroring, that would be one of the stupidest things known to man, let everyone overtake you at Spa for all it's worth, much easier recovery.

Plus they got overtaken at Silverstone too.

All that after they had a test session in Austria and claimed to have solved their starting issues...

[enckboaz]

can someone explain to me why for the same crash maldonado was given 5 sec penalty and hamilton only the drive through?

Both got drive throughs if I remember it right.

Edit: this is from Autosport:

12:41 Maldonado gets a drive through penalty for running into Perez.

tnx!
i was wrong, it was too hard to stay update on maldonado penalties today

[skoop]

i watched the race on orf1 and alex wurz (who's commenting) was complaining about the safety car. they said that the safety car came in too early, becouse the lapped cars hadn't lapped back. do you guys feel the same?

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Heroes of today:
- Ricciardo drives into Rosberg destroying his race after an awkward overtake attempt - no penalty, loses the start (as always) and gets team orders in his favour two laps into the race, I think I need to find "we don't use team orders" quote by a liar Mateschitz

You really are a master of using situations to suit your argument. Remember Spa? Replace Lewis with Nico and Nico with Ric.
Regarding team orders, he was faster and he proved by overtaking the cars that Kvyat couldn't and Kvyat himself was on radio saying the car was undrivable. Makes no sense from team's perspective to let them in that stupid situation.

[Shrieker]

I'm confused...didnt Verstappen get a drive through?

Same here. Maybe the director made a mistake and it shouldn't have been displayed like that ? Maybe it was meant for another driver and the race director pressed the wrong button in the heat of the moment.

[matt_b]

If Nico had the softs he would've won and had a 2 point lead in the championship with huge momentum and confidence over the summer break, instead Lewis takes a 22 point championship lead. Whos says F1 isn't exciting and unpredictable.

[evered7]

can someone explain to me why for the same crash maldonado was given 5 sec penalty and hamilton only the drive through?

Both got drive throughs if I remember it right.

Edit: this is from Autosport:

12:41 Maldonado gets a drive through penalty for running into Perez.

tnx!
i was wrong, it was too hard to stay update on maldonado penalties today

It certainly is. He probably set a record for # of penalties in a single race weekend.