2015 Hungarian Grand Prix - 24-26 July

[PlatinumZealot]

I don't think he drove into RIC. If you watch the replay the tyres were locked up long before RIC came into view. Also if you look on Hamilton's steering angle, it wasn't straight like Maldonados. Danny is a good overtaker but after today i think he just chucks the car without much consideration. It's more ballsy than skillful driving from him.

anyhow, looks like lewis is going to be more distracted this year: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/ce ... 7458001271

At least Rihanna will tell Lewis to shut up and drive.

[komninosm]

Were the Mercedes poor at start or just the Ferraris too good? Cause it didn't look like Merc was slower than other cars except the Ferraris in the first straight.

[Andres125sx]

Sainz should be really upset, STR is showing some favouritism for Verstappen

I´m not talking about the three consecutive races Sainz has retired because his car stopped or failed. I´m not talking about the 3 seconds the team lost on his first pitstop. I´m talking about the supposed preference the driver leading usually have, wich was not the case today, Sainz was ahead, but they called to box Verstappen first, wich caused the undercut so he overtook Sainz. This combined with the 3 seconds Sainz lost in the pitstop put him in traffic wich ruined his race completely. Then a new DNF.

He´s doing great, but with 4 DNFs in 10 races all due to mechanical/electrical failures and the team favouring his team mate...

I think that the first pitstops of STR weren't planned but reactionary to Alonso and Massa pitting. It gave STR a good excuse to pit in Verstappen first. To be honest I think that Verstappen had better race pace today than Sainz and the team realized this but were too afraid to give direct team orders to swap positions despite Verstappens hints about that over the team radio.

How can you know who had better pace if Sainz was stuck behind traffic the whole first stint?

And Alonso did first pitstop in same lap as Sainz, while Massa did it in same lap as Max, but he had a 5 seconds penalty so that´s not an excuse, Massa was not a problem and Alonso stopped after Max

They favoured Max clearly, and ruined Carlos race, who was ahead of Max before that first pitstop, despite starting from 3 positions behind Max

[Powy]

Were the Mercedes poor at start or just the Ferraris too good? Cause it didn't look like Merc was slower than other cars except the Ferraris in the first straight.

AmuS reports that Hamilton's clutch got too hot because of the second warm-up lap which resulted in a bad start.

- Rosberg explains on his Twitter why he received the prime tires during the safety car phase. He was so close to the pit that there was not enough time to get the soft tires ready.

- Ted's Notebook - Hungary is up.

[Manoah2u]

Sainz should be really upset, STR is showing some favouritism for Verstappen

I´m not talking about the three consecutive races Sainz has retired because his car stopped or failed. I´m not talking about the 3 seconds the team lost on his first pitstop. I´m talking about the supposed preference the driver leading usually have, wich was not the case today, Sainz was ahead, but they called to box Verstappen first, wich caused the undercut so he overtook Sainz. This combined with the 3 seconds Sainz lost in the pitstop put him in traffic wich ruined his race completely. Then a new DNF.

He´s doing great, but with 4 DNFs in 10 races all due to mechanical/electrical failures and the team favouring his team mate...

utter nonsense,

Sainz clearly had an issue and the team knew about it for quite some time. Verstappen complained early on in the race that he was held back due to Sainz's car's being a lot slower, and then TR had contact with both drivers to see in what situation they were in and decided it was best to let Max pass with the tiny hope of getting the result they got today; 4th position for Max. Sainz' race was compromised quite early and as it seems to some technical issue was on the back foot.

zero favourism, simple calculation.

[iotar__]

- Rosberg explains on his Twitter why he received the prime tires during the safety car phase. He was so close to the pit that there was not enough time to get the soft tires ready.

That's the version Wolff was selling earlier and it's still BS, didn't have time... Where did they keep them, in Brackley? Why weren't they ready? How much time it takes? Usual towing of BS company line by Rosberg. They didn't intend to put different tyres that's all. Let's say it was the reason - that's a worse blunder than Monaco then, cost them podium/win whereas Monaco only second place and I don't see them screaming in desperation, changing procedures etc. As for starts, that's one: what happened to Rosberg and Rosberg and Hamilton in GB? Another half-hearted excuse. About Verstappen-Sainz couple post earlier - undercut against a team mate - that's team orders. If fake RB's supertalent can't do himself team helps him.

Drive through for Maldonado looks even worse after watching replays. Vettel on Hulk in Canada was worse because 100% one-sided (nothing), Hamilton on Ricciardo considerably worse (no leaving some space after taking the corner, just driving into him). How can they give the same penalty for that? Then of course Ricciardo - same thing as Hamilton one-sided ploughing into other car. No attempt at anything after out-braking himself which should settle every discussion. Right hand side dive, cutting across a car, out-braking yourself and driving into the car taking normal line as if it wasn't there - that's not an overtake.

Kvyat overtook Bottas/Hamilton literally five metres off track without even attempting to take the corner - he gets less than Maldonado and it costs him nothing. Verstappen slashes Bottas' tyres attempting nothing - another clear penalty and no reaction. They don't even pretend there are any objective standards. Top achievement of course is a completely made up "unsafe" release for Lotus.

[jato]

I don't think he drove into RIC. If you watch the replay the tyres were locked up long before RIC came into view. Also if you look on Hamilton's steering angle, it wasn't straight like Maldonados. Danny is a good overtaker but after today i think he just chucks the car without much consideration. It's more ballsy than skillful driving from him.

anyhow, looks like lewis is going to be more distracted this year: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/ce ... 7458001271

I agree with you. I think that Ric/Ham incident was 50-50;therefore should be classified as a racing incident. Ricciardo took a different much tighter line in turn 1 than other drivers throughout the race. In addition, there were lots of space at the left of him he could have prevented the accident in my opinion. However, Hamilton shouldn't have let a renault powered car to catch him at a straight

Lol you serious? 50-50 even after the stewards gave him a drive through penalty and lewis even came out and said it was his fault?

Why would Ricciardo even go all the way on the outside on the corner to give as much as Hamilton needs to keep his car on the track on the inside? Does he need to roll out the red carpet for the Mercs? Seriously the Rosberg incident he dived in from far back but he was nowhere to hitting Rosberg on the dive in, he kept the car on track and still allowed himself decent acceleration going into turn 2 (most drivers who dive bomb either hit the car they are trying to overtake or they have already lost the corner with the other driver coming back on inside line).

What Rosberg should have been smart about is leaving Ricciardo enough space (Ricciardo was already at the edge of the track limits so he did not have any further to go left) and either if he got overtaken held onto second place or third place because in the context of the championship he would have gained points on Lewis. If he was even more smarter, he would have taken the option tires instead of the mediums for the final stint. Dumb decision there.

Maybe Ricciardo should just sit by and hold station 2 seconds behind Rosberg for the remaining 10 laps because his Renault engine obviously wasn't going to let him overtake him.

[max_speed]

yesterday rosberg proved why he will never win a world championship. on radio he is being told that hamilton will switch to prime and immediately he responds i too want prime . what a stupid guy ?. hamilton is reducing gap and gap to front is building but in last stint you want prime. its like a child goes for candy and another child asks for same.

[iotar__]

Seriously the Rosberg incident he dived in from far back but he was nowhere to hitting Rosberg on the dive in, he kept the car on track and still allowed himself decent acceleration going into turn 2 (most drivers who dive bomb either hit the car they are trying to overtake or they have already lost the corner with the other driver coming back on inside line).

What Rosberg should have been smart about is leaving Ricciardo enough space (Ricciardo was already at the edge of the track limits so he did not have any further to go left) and either if he got overtaken held onto second place or third place because in the context of the championship he would have gained points on Lewis. If he was even more smarter, he would have taken the option tires instead of the mediums for the final stint. Dumb decision there.

All wrong:
1 Rosberg didn't make tyre decision. Mercedes team is incompetent or did it on purpose. Speaking of which: so Hamilton goes 23 laps (?) (20-43) in the middle of the race on softs and Mercedes don't have softs prepared on 43th lap for lighter car towards the end? Why can't they have both compounds prepared equally, what's this "default" tyre talk, some kind of code for brain freeze? After re-watching they indeed did not have time to change it but why weren't they prepared for both?

2. On the contrary it's Ricciardo that should have been more careful about his speed and positioning because he was the one who caused this collision after very poor overtaking attempt that did consist of:
- dive inside he could not control, if he could have he would have been inside taking the corner
- out-braking himself and cutting across a car he was trying to overtake, I assure you it was not on purpose this is where Rosberg left him space
- founding himself both behind and as you put it "on the edge of track limits" only through his own fault
- missing the apex and accelerating into back of the car that took a normal line

Asking for leaving more space is basically asking to let Ricciardo past which is silly, there was no reasonable space/speed combination that would have made the pass possible anyway, that's why I call it "attempted nothing", driving into other car and hoping to survive. Like Monaco or GB start, several others or the whole pass to begin with.

[Chuckjr]

Congrats to Vettel. Flawless drive. Fitting farewell to Jules. Congrats to Red Bull hosting two drivers to the podium.

I don’t know about anyone else, but man it was great to see Alonso fighting for positions and overtaking. That guy is just chomping at the bit. If Honda can get that dang power unit sorted, 2016 may be a good year for McHonda and Alonso.

Can someone please post a link which shows the race lap times for the drivers?

Thank you.

[evered7]

Can someone please post a link which shows the race lap times for the drivers?

Thank you.

This site has got it updated. Although you can also take it from the FIA site.

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/

[zeph]

I don't think he drove into RIC. If you watch the replay the tyres were locked up long before RIC came into view. Also if you look on Hamilton's steering angle, it wasn't straight like Maldonados. Danny is a good overtaker but after today i think he just chucks the car without much consideration. It's more ballsy than skillful driving from him.

anyhow, looks like lewis is going to be more distracted this year: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/ce ... 7458001271

At least Rihanna will tell Lewis to shut up and drive.

[MercedesAMGSpy]

Sainz should be really upset, STR is showing some favouritism for Verstappen

I´m not talking about the three consecutive races Sainz has retired because his car stopped or failed. I´m not talking about the 3 seconds the team lost on his first pitstop. I´m talking about the supposed preference the driver leading usually have, wich was not the case today, Sainz was ahead, but they called to box Verstappen first, wich caused the undercut so he overtook Sainz. This combined with the 3 seconds Sainz lost in the pitstop put him in traffic wich ruined his race completely. Then a new DNF.

He´s doing great, but with 4 DNFs in 10 races all due to mechanical/electrical failures and the team favouring his team mate...

I think that the first pitstops of STR weren't planned but reactionary to Alonso and Massa pitting. It gave STR a good excuse to pit in Verstappen first. To be honest I think that Verstappen had better race pace today than Sainz and the team realized this but were too afraid to give direct team orders to swap positions despite Verstappens hints about that over the team radio.

How can you know who had better pace if Sainz was stuck behind traffic the whole first stint?

And Alonso did first pitstop in same lap as Sainz, while Massa did it in same lap as Max, but he had a 5 seconds penalty so that´s not an excuse, Massa was not a problem and Alonso stopped after Max

They favoured Max clearly, and ruined Carlos race, who was ahead of Max before that first pitstop, despite starting from 3 positions behind Max

They favoured Max clearly, because he was the faster driver, as logical as Kvyat letting Ricciardo through, because he was faster. It's not science.

[NathanOlder]

Can someone explain why Verstappen never got a penalty for wrecking Bottas' race ? Valteri was just about to pass Hamilton i think it was and Verstappen stuck his front wing in and gave Bottas a puncture. Anyone have any idea why it didnt even appear to be investigated during or after the race ?

[MercedesAMGSpy]

Can someone explain why Verstappen never got a penalty for wrecking Bottas' race ? Valteri was just about to pass Hamilton i think it was and Verstappen stuck his front wing in and gave Bottas a puncture. Anyone have any idea why it didnt even appear to be investigated during or after the race ?

FIA checked the data and saw that VES took avoiding action, next time Bottas needs to use his mirrors.